Feds battle Rainbow Family

OK, RS and RP have made some good points. In light of this, what does the OP have to say on the subject?

Is there a conspiracy here? And if so, who is conspiring?

Are you guys trying to derail this thread?

The conspiracy is the 'government' wants us to be corporate slaves with no personal connections with the people around us.

The one thing the 'government' do best is to spend your money keeping us all divided.

They see the peaceful gathering of people, without any need for their authority and 'system' that conditions everyone to be good little consumers, as a threat to their control of us.

The National gatherings have been held every year since 72, and there are literally thousands who attend over the 4th July weekend, yet most people have never heard of it. You never hear of it in the MSM. They only show us the negatives side of life. They don't want is living in peace! We are their slaves.

The rich and powerful organise and cooperate with each other with their Bilderberg and their ceremony of care, but when ever any of the peasants try to organise they send in the cavalry. We are not allowed to be free...

Edit; also the gatherings are neither left or right. If you asked a brother or sister if they were left or right they'd probably tell you where to stick your left and right.

[edit on 11/7/2008 by ANOK]

reply to post by sc2099


and lets not forget WACO - and please don't anyone wail on about how crazy they were - they didn't deserve to die for it...that was one of the most disgusting abuses of power on American soil...and I certainly wouldn't call them leftists -

Ruby Ridge....another disaster of misjudgment and abuse of power...

Pine Ridge stand off.........

I'm sure there are more but these are off the top of my head....misconduct and abuse of power in each of these events....

It doesn't matter whether you're left, right or center....they find an excuse to screw with you...and thousands frolicking in the sunshine and singing Cumbya ??? oh nooooo....can't have that....thats truly subversive sh##

Originally posted by sc2099

And thank you as well for the well thought out reply. I would also agree with you that it is a behavior of all governments and not just the USgov.

And now for the disagreements!

While I concur that in the eyes of the government FLDS belongs in the "other" rather than the "self" category just as the RF, you said in your post that the US gov only picks on left wing "others". This was really my only bone to pick as clearly it doesn't matter if someone is a lefty or a righty, only that they are self or other.

As for your comment about my bias against conservatives and conservative ideology, you are absolutely correct, I spent 25 years living as one in a fundamentalist family.

Haha, the ones who used to be a part of it are always the biggest opponents! That's with anything though. No one hates the Catholic Church like a former Catholic, etc. I'm curious, what made you do your 180? If you don't want to share here feel free to U2U. I do know the epiphany you're talking about as well, but mine happened in the opposite direction. I used to be left/center left and I made a migration to the right.

If I gave the impression that I thought that the gov't picked on only left wing groups, then I certainly misspoke and gave the wrong impressions -- I think that many right wing groups also get the same sort of treatment. Look how Ron Paul (who I do admire greatly) and other libertarians get treated, and he is really more of a classic conservative rather than the current brand of neo-con that we tend to see wearing the "right wing" label.

As for my epiphany, it may sound weird but I was at one of those insufferable parties that people go to in order to schmooze with all the movers and shakers. I was alone in the kitchen fixing myself a drink (my second of the night) when a clear and audible voice right above my right ear said "Continue this life and you will be dead within the year." Freaked me out totally so I said "What?" The same voice repeated "Continue this life and you will be dead within the year."

Since I now had the crap totally scared out of me, I started to really examine my life. Several years later, I realized that the voice that night was me. My personality had become so fragmented and dysfunctional that my realization of my sorry state seemed to come from outside myself. The voice was that part of me that was still really me cutting through all the layers of delusion I had troweled on myself over the years.

It is now almost a decade later. I am happier than I have ever been and everyday is a wonderful adventure. Ii don't regret what I was all those years in the wilderness of my life because it has taught me to live each moment to its fullest now. And not to take myself so seriously as well.

In terms of my politics, I didn't go from right to left wing but rather became apolitical. I have points of agreement with many ideas on the right and also with many on the left. I also disagree with much of what both the left and right stand for. I remember that Pat Paulson used to say that if one were too much right or left wing, you tended to flap around in circles. I see little difference in the nanny state of the socialists and the fortress America of the neo-cons with the patriot act etc. I suppose my politics are anti-authoritarian and more libertarian rather than left or right. I see communism and fascism as the left and right manifestations respectively of authoritarian government. I am a strong believer individual rights, freedoms, responsibilities and self-reliance.

Sorry for rambling.

watch this video and you will see that the conspiracy is obviously on the part of the feds.
the Rainbow Family is a threat to their ideals and the sort of consciousness they promote.
The Rainbow Family of love and light is who will still be around when they are all gone, though.
we know how to survive.
we know what unconditional love is.
we take care of everyone.

I agree this is worth discussing but it's hardly news. The Feds harass the Family at their gathering every year.

Last year the gathering was here in Arkansas, Just one county over from where I live. Being the old hippy that I am I had to attend.

The feds tried to drag some folks off then too, which led to a big confrontation. It's a yearly event which seems to be getting worse. It won't be long before they'll be clubbing old hippies like baby seals.

reply to post by mrwupy


Mista wupy..

Why is it that the fed attacks these people .. or "family" .. every year?

Illegal activities?

Why is it called a "family"?

Instead of derailing this thread lets bring it back on track...please?

This is totally unacceptable behavior, but then again, expected governmental attitude when FEAR is present...and that's what it is, people...FEAR of something that the SLEEPERS and MUGGLES out there just don't and won't understand.

The story I am about to tell is what I hope happens at the Rainbow Gathering in the very near future.

I attended a "gathering" of this sort last October. It took place in Washington State. Many may have heard of it...unofficially it's called Barter Fair...officially it's the Okanogan Family Fair.

It is a three day gathering, at least 3-4 thousand people, much the same as the Rainbows. In my three days there, it was peace, family, love, sharing, community, and yes, like any large family...a few "problems"...but they were taken care of internally.

The only policing was done by 3 or 4 sheriffs on horse back looking for underage drinkers and open drug use. When found, the booze was poured out, same with any "pot" that was seen changing hands. From what I observed it was confiscated and warnings given to not be so blatant about it.

Police showed up only once...2 officers, because one camper made a formal complaint against another camper for theft.

Medics came only once in 3 days as well, as a need to take someone to the hospital arose.

For the number of people present in this three day period, these "incidents" which I observed seemed little to none and the way "authority" handled it's self was to basically leave everyone alone, let them do their "thing".

My ex boyfriend (I've been married almost 14 years)
used to go to the gatherings, he said something about getting naked and putting mud on evryone.????
After being awakened to the N.W.O.,
I realized that many policies against free-thinkers,(yes even Crazy hippies) mean the whittling down of EVERYONE'S freedoms!
I heard lately that they are Christians and if this is TRULY the case and not a crazy bunch of people running around naked in front of children whilst on drugs, then they deserve everyone's support.
????

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Over the years many of the Rainbow Family gatherings have become believers.....just simple attrition really...I'm sure there are many who not Christians as well but enjoy the gathering the same way...Years ago there was more outright partying but as folks get older they have kids, settle down, get a bit more serious about life and responsibility and the gatherings reflect this as with any group of people that have a history together even if it is just a once a year get together...the name "family" reflects their belief that we are all "family", our brother's keeper so to speak and should treat each other accordingly....

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by mrwupy

 

Mista wupy..

Why is it that the fed attacks these people .. or "family" .. every year?

Good question. The gathering of the family is a yearly event, Centered around the fourth of July. It's always peaceful, caring and sharing. I suppose it's because it's always on public land. Since it's on public land, they feel they have to police it. That would be my guess anyway.

Illegal activities?

Make no mistake, illegal activities do go on at the gatherings. Not everyone feels they should be illegal though. My problem with it was getting up first thing in the morning and everywhere you look, someone is getting high. I'm almost 50 so I don't do drugs, but seeing so many other people doing them for breakfest was a bit much for me.

Still, they would write people tickets for peeing on a tree or any other minor transgression. When someone got a ticket they were taken straight to the courthouse and tried on the spot. Pay the fine or go to jail. It was hardball policing.

Why is it called a "family"?

Because that's what the Rainbow Family believe themselves to be, family. Truly free spirits in a world full of slaves. When you show up you're greeted with the phrase, "Welcome home." and if you belong, you feel it.




It's an amazing experience, even if you only attend once.

wupy

reply to post by realshanti


That's exactly the point I was trying to make. Thanks for bringing up the examples.

Also, mrwupy said

My problem with it was getting up first thing in the morning and everywhere you look, someone is getting high. I'm almost 50 so I don't do drugs, but seeing so many other people doing them for breakfest was a bit much for me.

and I just have to say that honestly, I think this is the problem that "mainstream America" has with this type of gathering. It is exactly what turns the 9 to 5ers off. IMO this type of drug use is what makes people uncomfortable with hippy-types. It's not the fact that they condemn big business, it's not the fact that they don't believe in the usual societal constraints, and it's not all the peace and love that most people think is BS anyway that makes people not respect the modern day hippies; it's the fact that these people can't seem to function without being high. It really doesn't do anything for their cause. That and the hairy armpits and aversion to proper hygiene .

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well I hate to tell ya this but thier are very few hairy armpits anymore at these gatherings and the fact some folk smoke a bit o the green goes on in your neighbors house, let alone in the state park once a year

reply to post by realshanti


LOL you mean hippies shave now? Wow that's amazing. I remember this girl I went to college with...she raised her hand and it was like a carpet swatch. But that's neither here nor there .

About the drug use, I'm not really talking about something casual, I'm talking about the kind mrwupy mentioned that is a symptom of a gripping addiction.

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As for the secret society argument...

How about the fact that there are "no leaders"? Does anyone really believe that? If you don't believe that doesn't it mean that the leaders are secret? Am I getting any closer to you guys accepting the secret part?

If not I'm going to go start that "The Masons are in Charge of the Secret Society Threads" thread.

reply to post by NGC2736

Dude! There is a conspiracy everywhere, man!

I think Rockpuck and that other guy are masons and they are trying to control the Secret Societies board. Can I just start that thread here? Would I be hijacking my own thread?

Seriously, there's definitely a conspiracy against the Rainbows by the Feds. I don't care where this thread is, really. Where ever you deem it most appropriate. As for the Rainbows being a secret society... who are the leaders? No one right. I don't believe that.

reply to post by mrwupy


Mrwupy-

Just because the Feds are always jerks doesn't mean its not news. This year was really over the top. Firing on the kiddie village? Come on! That's news! And did anyone see this on Fox? Betcha didn't! That in itself makes this a conspiracy AND news.

Originally posted by sc2099
reply to post by realshanti

 

LOL you mean hippies shave now? Wow that's amazing. I remember this girl I went to college with...she raised her hand and it was like a carpet swatch. But that's neither here nor there

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About the drug use, I'm not really talking about something casual, I'm talking about the kind mrwupy mentioned that is a symptom of a gripping addiction.

I understand your concern but in very large gatherings that include people from every part of the country and where the vision statement is somewhat nebulous - there's always a percentage who will trod that path...however as a veteran of Burningman ( the most whacked out party on the planet that takes place once a year in the Nevada desert) I can assure you there are many many more who are not interested in that kind of risky behavior...and Rainbow gatherings are a real melting pot and compared to Burningman, a Sunday social...but thats just my take...and I may be a bit jaded ... Lets put it this way...I wouldn't let my teenager go unattended to either one of these gatherings Or any large event of that nature for that matter, regardless of who the sponsor is...

[edit on 12-7-2008 by realshanti]

Originally posted by yourrolemodel
who are the leaders? No one right. I don't believe that.

Then you should try visiting a gathering sometime.

Why is it so hard to believe people can gather together without a need for authority?

The whole point of the gatherings, to me at least, is it proves that people can live together peacefully in total voluntary cooperation without needing to be cohersed by an authority. I guess the idea can be hard to believe because we are conditioned to except authority as a necessity.

The gatherings are a perfect model for society as a whole. I don't mean the living in the forests and holding hands, even though that's cool, but the way they live and organise themselves. It proves we can do it, and we're not all going to turn into mass murderers without an overlord controlling us, as they want us to think.

We are conditioned to fear everything, including each other, the grand illusion that keeps us from realising our own power and true capabilities as a social species.