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posted on Jan, 6 2003 @ 06:53 PM
No I don't think there is any socialism left in the way of Marxism, but Britain IS socialist, I just find it Ironic that a socialst website complains about the inabilities of Britain, when britain has plenty of social measures in place.

It is quite possible socialism will only work on small scales, like Sweden...

Yes, statistics can not be trusted, probably another reason I wasn't liking that socialist news site with their long list of reasons why they are so right, and the rest of the world so wrong.

Well as for NWO resistance, I had refrained from commenting on it until now at your request.

There is no "NWO" so there really is no resistance, just a bunch of MY opinion anyways.

I'll admitt it seems things are moving towards some form of globalization at times, but I don't think it can ever be in the way that most fear of when they speak of the NWO.

And it isn't anything that could be resisted in peaceful means, to resist "globalization" you would literally need to keep the world fighting itself.

Which now leads to a quickly thought of conclusion OF!!!! The recent stability in the world, has been incredible. Never before has the world seen such stability between nations, and governments and their peoples.

This stability may be a direct link to why everything seems to becoming globalized. Because without nations differed by years of warfare and hate, without cultural differences due to intollerance...everyone is educated in peace and of eachother because of our vast tolerance and so we are really becoming more globalized, because of this stability.

*note: intolerance ironically produces seperate cultures, because while you can not get rid of other cultures, though its been tried several times, you can simply not learn about them, and remain ignorant of them, hence why in 1941 no one could imagine what the Japanese thought like, just that they were 'inhuman'*

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posted on Jan, 6 2003 @ 06:57 PM

Originally posted by FreeMason
socialists only use that "FIGHT THE WORLD ORDER" slogan to rally people behind their world order.

so you recognize that this world order is run by the bourgeois.
and if one was to prevent something from coming into existence, they would approve of its exact opposite, would they not? would supporting the very same system that is keeping you in chains accomplish anything?

Originally posted by FreeMason
any thing that must be gained by fighting yourself is never a "good" thing.

since when was the removal of the parasites that feeds of the masses, considered 'fighting yourself'?

Originally posted by FreeMason
I hate propoganda sites directed to the apathetic youth of our nation.

do you think that "the apathetic youth of our nation" would actually ever be concerned about the possible benefits of humanity?
so maybe, the few that can utilize their ability to think would partake in these youth groups.

posted on Jan, 6 2003 @ 07:17 PM
About 13 years ago I was involved with a small church group, it didnt last long, I just got involved with them because my girlfriend at the time was ( I was young)

But even then there was talk among them to watch out for the forthcoming "New World Order", way back then they warned about certain politicians, they warned about microchipping and they warned about a supercomputer called "BEAST". They didn't talk about the Illuminati however. It still all seemed a little far fetched for me.

I fell away from this group for lots of different reasons, (I split with the girl being the main one) but anyway I never ever heard those warnings mentioned again, remember these were the days before the www. (or before I had heard of it anyway)

During the first Gulf war I sat transfixed at the firework display, cheering our troops on like so many others, thinking that we were the saviours and the arabs were the bad guys.

One day President Bush mentioned the "New World Order" in a speech, I nearly hit the ceiling, it echoed the words that the Christian group had been warning about for so long.

It's only these last few weeks my attention has been raised again. I do believe that the NWO is coming, the more I read though the more truth gets distorted and mixed with fiction.

There is truth in the conspiricy theories, that I am convinced of, after all there is no smoke without fire, but how much is information and how much is disinformation, only time will tell.

I also believe that a lot of the people who speak up for different movements, religions, political organisations or otherwise do speak what they believe to be the truth.

But they too are deluded and do not know who is really pulling the strings.

posted on Jan, 6 2003 @ 07:21 PM
My Theory

feed back welcomed


In 1998 I was made aware of a certain group of people, we will refer to them as (Criminal x ). Criminal X devised an abstract plan (New World Order), and using the ideas and inventions of fellow members, and violated individuals, who were willing to share their thoughts on hypothetical basics, or falsely convinced that they would be paid for them, generated funds imperative to the completion of their mission. These companys and inventions assisted in not only proving the needed funds but also provided corporate recognition, repour and reputable identity for some key players. Criminal X used what ever means necessary to make sure the goals set forth were accomplished; murder, prostitutes willing or unwilling to assist in negotiations of business agreements, threats, lies and the contributions given by those both aware and unaware, who supported their cause willingly or on false pretense, to make sure each of the ideas were carried out to the fullest potential. Some supporters were brought in to the game on the money level with stock options and or positions in certain up coming companies, project plans, ect.Although Criminal Xs theme was only the strong survived and those left in the end were going to be at the top, what that meant was that blackmail ect would be used to knock some people out of their position. Some people didnt know the seriousness in getting involved and when the word went out that houses, new cars, gold, diamonds, arson, companys, ect were available for the taking, extreme force was used, sometimes resulting in who ever got what ever, it didnt matter they knew that when a favor was called upon, they would have to do it, or be put out of the game. If Jack had what Joe wanted, Joe would kill if necessary for it. Nothing was said, things went through a chain of command, using what ever resource were established and with so many technical gadgets and soft wear ideas placed in the hands of white collar and blue collar criminals, criminal minded geniuses and repeat habitual offenders the market place was going to be attacked like never before. By doing just that money was generated and some fields were dominated thus resulting in the stocks dropping to an all time low when company funds were pulled for the cause of the game. So they got in, took hold of the market brought it to a high and then pulled out leaving the companys crashing to the ground. Players were given the option to choose a different lifestyle and take their found fortune and run or play. From where I set I see a lot of players. It wasnt impossible to make someone appear to never have been born, and it left all kinds of doors to files, programs, bank accounts records wide open for the hacker, who had assisted in the design of the soft wear in many cases. Those who were in a position to hold a political, or government employment status were encouraged and supported. This gave them lea way to carry out the means needed to assure that their plan would work. What all of these people had in common on the top level was the desire to play for keeps and the thirst for power and no remorse for what they had to do to get it.
Using the Internet and other means, such as word of mouth, newspaper ads, and approaching publicly known prospect organizations, Criminal X became acquaintances with some of the most persuasive people in the world and even bargained with the higher ups in the political arena. There are inter groups inside the game and Criminal X that paired off in teams that rival against each other, yet still stick to the mission that the strong survive and will dominate the game.

posted on Jan, 6 2003 @ 07:34 PM
No echelon, the apathetic youths are the ones who get involved in Radical movements, because it is those movements that make them feel a part of something "BIGGER".

And now...I'd like to direct attention to your Avatar, I don't understand it....who is the "bad guy" that is saying "Their Temples must Fall" because surely it is a bad guy saying that, since one of those temples is your Communism

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posted on Jan, 6 2003 @ 07:39 PM

Originally posted by FreeMason
who is the "bad guy" that is saying "Their Temples must Fall" because surely it is a bad guy saying that, since one of those temples is your Communism

i was just searching for images on google, and i came across it.
so i thought it would go along with the theme of this site.
src: ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search

[Edited on 1-7-2003 by echelon]

posted on Jan, 6 2003 @ 07:50 PM
But it bashes your Communism
and Jews...anyone who bashes jews has to be wrong!
... anyone who bashes anyone really heh...

But as far as controlled NWO by secret forces...I think its fanciful imagination by an underworked populace

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posted on Jan, 6 2003 @ 08:14 PM
Now I'm a Homo?

Classic mate. Your a real treat.


posted on Jan, 7 2003 @ 03:10 AM

Originally posted by FreeMason
No I don't think there is any socialism left in the way of Marxism, but Britain IS socialist, I just find it Ironic that a socialst website complains about the inabilities of Britain, when britain has plenty of social measures in place.

Sorry but having lived in the UK for all of my 35 years I can quite confidently say that it is NOT a socialist country. It is a monarchy/democracy that just happens to have a reasonably effective social policy, just the same as a lot of countires in the world.

I think the problem here is your definition of the word socialist, are you referring to Marxism or are you talking about the Utopian socialism supported by the early Labour movement known as Poplarism, or have you yet another definition?

While there is a monarchy in the UK and while we still have the remains of an empire hanging onto us in the form of the commonwealth, we will never be a socialist country. The same as the dictatorship that was once the Soviet Union was never a real socialist country.

Check out our parliamentry structure, monarchy, political history, our voting system and our welfare state and you will see that the divide between rich and poor, free and bound is vast, this is not socialism in the sense of the word that I know. Not all men and women here are treated equally.

Source: The Collins English Dictionary 1998 HarperCollins Publishers
socialism [sulzm]

1. an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state.
It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels.
Compare [capitalism].

2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system.

3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need.

None of these definitions apply to Britains current political or social condition

[Edited on 7-1-2003 by moonclamp]

posted on Feb, 12 2003 @ 05:04 PM
Burghers and Globalization
Were Marx and Engels ahead of the anti-globalization movement by a century?

Much to the chagrin of today's anti-globalization movement, it is not as much in the vanguard as activists might claim to be. As Guy Pfefferman, the Chief Economist of the International Finance Corporation, observes, the Communist Manifesto was also attacking a similar concept a mysterious "X-factor."


posted on Feb, 14 2003 @ 10:36 PM
it seems like this has turned a bit off course of the resistance topic so i hope to offer a bit of thought to that topic.

the illuminati is an order that is going to take over the world. there is little we can do to stop it. they're secretive with just about everything and with my limited knowledge of secret society things, i realize that even if resistance were to be organized it would have no physical force to resist against. if the illuminati is the holders of the light, then the resistance would be the holders of darkness. it would have to be even more cloak and dagger than the illuminati, be smarter, richer, more resourceful, and have a greater reach to the people. the average person would think of illuminati as part of a lightbulb or something, but the few who acknowledge what it is and the fewer who accept it as what is going to be, and the even fewer who would do something about it, how could a movement start? it wouldn't be able to use conventianal means of rebellion such as guerilla warfare or riots and stuff, it would half to use the illiminatis own techniques on itself.

how could these techniques be discovered, and if and when discovered be perfected and used by all members of this movement. how could the illuminati members be discovered? how and what could we use that information against them if it were discovered. even if we did use it, they could make people not care somehow, by using controls in the media and press. degrade our word into everyday market tabloids?

these are only a few of the questions you'd have to consider.

posted on Feb, 14 2003 @ 10:42 PM
Yeah...the Nazis had to be defeated by their enemies before they could see that their enemies were really their friends

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posted on Feb, 16 2003 @ 01:01 AM

Originally posted by phoenix_cross
how could these techniques be discovered, and if and when discovered be perfected and used by all members of this movement. how could the illuminati members be discovered? how and what could we use that information against them if it were discovered. even if we did use it, they could make people not care somehow, by using controls in the media and press. degrade our word into everyday market tabloids?

the illuminati themselves are oblivious to the forces that exists in this universe.
they aren't the holders of the light... even if they are successful in 'taking over the world,' they wouldn't last... the world needs to evolve. they may have control over the physical realm, but they aren't aware of all the laws that govern us, including them. maybe humanity will one day reach a level of enlightenment so they can liberate themselves.

the truth lies within egypt... why do you think weishaupt was so intrigued by it?
his flaw was that he got lost in the possibilities available in the materialistic world.
they want to bring back egypt... only the portion they want. what they don't know is that it's not possible. everything is linked together.
there are those among us who are aware of the truth, the only thing that's stopping them is the fact that humanity is not ready.

posted on Feb, 16 2003 @ 05:39 PM
Yet again, another thread I've lost desire to finnish. Thanx FM.

That thing about high school drop out's CAN be and IS offensive. I myself am a high school drop out. I'm doing just fine and all. Started my own business recently as well. It's kinda slow going, but I still haven't gotten around to activlet marketing it yet. The site it's self need's ALOT of work, but between my job and family, it's a bit hard to find the time, yet I am very determined to see it succeed.

Please take your word's into consideration in future conversation's.

posted on Feb, 16 2003 @ 08:17 PM
humanity will probably never be ready. over 6 billion people to turn to see their truth, so they would turn to a simpler solution. kill or enslave those masses to serve their needs if and when they came into power. or perhaps a more complicated use. our lives have little meaning anyway other than pursuing false happiness and search for knowledge we can barely put into decent effecient technology because of monetary and political issues, so why not just say screw it. there has to be something to do ya, someway to fight, the problem is figuring out how and who? the governments, the aristocratic families? form an organisation to spread anarchy and leaderless nations. our world has gone to hell. hahahaaaaaaa. what can we do but sit here and talk about it and watch...

what a sad state of affairs.

posted on Aug, 1 2008 @ 06:14 AM
Yes, and we are all American.

also search youtube for:

American Militia
American Resistance

Long Live The Constitution!

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