reply to post by WhatTheory & GreySave
Yes I do know where the straights are and how big they are, what countries border them.
If the worlds largest civilian ships , oil tankers, started exploding in the straight, why wouldn't it close?
Who is going to send their shipping, and the worlds fastest rising price product , oil into the straights if their is a chance of not only loosing the
produce, but also loosing the multi million pound ships?
How would you get civilian captains to leave port?
How would the straights be kept open if hostilities broke out?
Missiles from land bases, fast attack boats, etc would run circles round the straights, and civilian tankers in the matter of hours.
The submarine threat, is actually that, not just hyperbole or fantasy.
The Akula subs were designed to do what I said they could do, by a world superpower.
As stated earlier, a current ongoing live war game has been played out by one Sub for over a year now of the coast of USA.
This sub has never been sunk by the combined will of the CAG it has been tasked against, and has simultaneously sunk the carrier many times now.
As this is currently source able and in the public domain, is ongoing now, why all of a sudden when you move the USA ships to the straights of Iran,
the laws of physics change do they?
Are they like transformers?
Do they change into something different?
No exactly so why couldn't a similair sub (though the akula's arnt as advanced due to having to snorkel) with the same weapon ability not do exactly
the same, especially when the crew realises the Shock & Awe being visited on their homes and families, I feel they would be highly motivted to
Just another thing, they unlike the exercise of the USA coast have more than one sub, do any of you believe that a fleet of these wouldn't have the
ability to sink a Carrier and close the straights?
Waiting for the transformers to save the day?
Like I said this is real life guys, what ive said is factual and happening now (re the sub exercises).
Yeah I don't know what im talking about people rant, it couldn't happen, ok then lets look back a bit.
Well the US cole was taken out by speedboat, a little non sea going boat with no real military capability holed a multi million pound massively
advanced modern American warship.
12 nutters on planes, not military ones, civilian one, killed 3000 in NY and broke the worlds most defended airspace.
(leaving aside the known and obvious holes in the official story of that day)
These things have happened, and yet you think a Superpower designed Submarine, actually designed to do exactly what I fear, sink carriers would be
less successful than a little dingy and a jumbo jet?
A poster mentions propaganda and maybe I am guided by that, afraid not my freind, the only propaganda is the current myth of the invulnerability of
the Military Might of the USA in this regard.
In a all out war with Iran and the ensuing sympathies of its regional Arab neighbors, to state and believe that the straights would remain open if the
Iranians made it a priority to close them, is IMO close minded as stated about me.
Besides total invasion, and occupation of the coastal regions of Iran, closing of all its naval capabilities and pacifying the fire of anti western
feeling and action after such an attack, how just how could the straights be kept open, or at least safe passage of the worlds most important
commodity Oil be assured?
Exactly and as that happens the Financial crash happens.
Now what I never mentioned in my first post was that in fact if you look at history, it is at such times as these Financially, that world wars have
been engineered/started to stop the total dissolution of world power from the mega rich industrial and banking cartels, and political families and
In a global economic crash they realize that when the bottom is hit, and people start to wake up the old order would never be built again.
The way to stop this happening is distraction and the classic Delphi principle of coercion by the worlds leaders. Create/engineer the world war, and
start again, they always have and will again, its just the Status Quo.
My question then to some an ATS is why would history this time all off a sudden be different to the past, why now of all times would these behaviors
I haven't really noticed a great change in the world controllers/powers have you?
Have I missed the epiphany moments with the Rothschild and Neocons etc?
Have they with all their Nazi hidden as Far Right Christian views had a road to Damascus experiences?
I see no world leaders saying lets start making a fairer world etc, they are carrying on as always so why wouldn't this happen now?
The transformers again?
Why also in all that is sane as stated above if a speedboat with like less than a 12 men crew hole a US warship with normal explosives, why in gods
name could a Superpower designed attack submarine, being sold on the worlds open markets not sink a Carrier?
Just going outside to look for the transformers, maybe they will save the day.
It certainly isn't me living in Hollywood or propaganda, but I smell the BS in LA from here with many peoples views, it isn't a game.
Your dad is not bigger than his dad.
The Iranians have the ability to crash the worlds economy , well at least topple the cards period.
However what some in the US might want to consider is that maybe and for me its a cert not a maybe, your leaders want this world war, as always in the
This whole nuclear Iran is interesting as before the invasion of Iraq the Iranians approached the UN and the USA and allowed full access and
negotiations with the west on this issue.
They wanted transparency, and an end to the Crisis.
The USA refused the offer, in fact they did not respond even diplomatically with the proposal if you want the source read and grow IAEA and UN ( on
record in public domain the entire wording of the negotiation offer) why is that? well maybe as said this war is wanted and planned, and just like in
history guys, watch the stocks, watch the huge amounts being made by Oil now and just as its all going to go totally hostilities will start, or
another "terrible attack" on the homeland.
All I am thinking is if they have done this with speedboats and jumbo jets imagine what could be done with military designed equipment like a attack
Hollywood me,? never no I am affronted by that remark.... mm... however I suppose I am a part of it as, unfortunately the way the world is run, and
the reality of all this is in fact like the worst nightmare story that Hitchcock or James Herbert could ever come up with.
We all bumble along as parts in the story and never question who is really directing it, or even ask maybe I could learn new lines, who gave me this
script anyhow who wrote it? maybe I can even get of the stage and take part in a different story?
Break a leg Guys, as they say in the industry, make sure when slipping though you don't knock anyone else over!
SmokersScreen Thank you, and hope I am putting this in context for people, I really worry like you on some of the rhetoric vis a vis America and war.
Anyone who has been to War usually don't share these views and its the Armchair Generals (not cnn style just civilians at home) who worry me most, as
they have the same views as the Civilian political leaders, and believe in the game like quality to it, and not personally having picked up a friends
or child's limbs from the street one day don't know the reality of what it is. They also like to keep this myth going... Vietnam, Iraq Afghanistan
has not been a "proper" World War. People forget that.
[edit on 2-7-2008 by MischeviousElf]