very nice thank you i was wondering who actually voted against guns. you are right there would have been an uproar and mobs in the streets, they would
have to pry mine from my dead cold fingers stars for you
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Have i completly lost my mind?
No, hear me out.
As most of you should know, Yesterday, the US suprume court ruled in favor of upholding the second ammendment.
This key issue, was brought before the supreme court floor, and the 2nd ammendment was reaffirmed. By a slim 5-4 vote.
I think we need to take a step back and realise how close we just were to having our guns snatched. How close we were to having our most important US-given right takeing away.
The second admentment is the foundation for this country, what good are ANY of the other ammendments without the right to protect our selfs? BOTH, BOTH of President Bushes appointies to the supreme court VOTED with the second ammendment.
Its more then highly likely that is either Gore in 2000, or Kerry in 2004 were elected president, they would not have appointed so called Moderate-COnseravtives, like bush did. Rather then judges in the form of Clarence Thomas, we would have had 2 more judges like Ruth BaterGinsburg.
In all seriousness, if either Gore or Kerry were president for the last 7 and 1/2 years, todaay its more then likely, we would be living in a diffrent America. We would have had our guns taken away. Our most important right...
The second ammendment is alive today BECAUSE of GWBush. We were one vote away from the loss of our second ammendment. If the high court would have taken away the second ammendment, ALL HELL would have broken lose in the US. I doubt that people would say, "oh look, Ruth Baterginsburg says we cant be trusted with guns, only the goverment can have huns, lets give up all our guns!"....
Probaly wouldn't of happened that way.
George W Bush, our president, saved this country. For all his problems, and all the horrible decisions he made, this outcome is BY FAR the most important result from his presidency.
I mean what i am saying here.
GWBush SAVED this country. He added at least a few more years of American History.
The vote was as close enough as it was, 5-4, that means there are 4 supreme court judges that are incapible of reading... or outreighct dont care.
Do you people realise this? Can you imagine if you woke up, and the 2nd ammendment was no longer valid? I mean, this is truely astonishing...
realise this, for the first time SINCE 1791, the issue of YOUR gun rights were debated at the HIGHEST LEVEL OF OUR US JUDUCAIL SYSTEM. for the first time in over 200 years... this is one of the most basic, and open ammendments, thats why for 200+ years, there was no questions as to what it means... now the facist gun grabbers, are trying to take away our most fundimental American Right.
Realise, that it was by the appointements of GWBush, ALONE, that has saved this country from the unspeakable, at least for a while longer...
I am no GWBush fan, but this IS his legacy, he should be remembered as the president taht saved our guns...
Now some good quotes...
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."
Samuel Adams "The Father of the American Revolution"
"The right of self-defense never ceases. It is among the most sacred, and alike necessary to nations and to individuals."
President James Monroe (November 16, 1818)
"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invent against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Thomas Jefferson letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823
"I hope, therefore, a bill of rights will be formed to guard the people against the Federal government as they are already guarded against their State governments, in most instances."
Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1788. ME 7:98
"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state."
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."
Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776
"None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important."
Thomas Jefferson 1803
"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well organized and armed militia is their best security."
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President. Source: Eighth Annual Message, November 8, 1808
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
Thomas Jefferson's advice to his 15 year-old nephew
"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."
Samuel Adams
"The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms."
Samuel Adams of Massachusetts -- U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788
"Suppose that we let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal: still it would not be going to far to say that the State governments with the people at their side would be able to repel the danger...half a million citizens with arms in their hands"
James Madison, The Federalist Papers
"Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense."
John Adams (1735-1826) Founding Father, 2nd US President
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams (1735-1826) Founding Father, 2nd US President
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large, is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton
"The right of self-defense never ceases. It is among the most sacred, and alike necessary to nations and to individuals."
President James Monroe (November 16, 1818)
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
George Washington
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
George Washington
"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole body of the people except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them..."
George Mason
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
"The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry
"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops..."
Noah Webster, An Examination of The Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Philadelphia 1787
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe."
Noah Webster
I could go on and on... but heres the point
For all the Flack Bush gets, for all the therioes saying the he is marching towards a NWO, and that he is an evil man, and that he is a moron....
HE, HE appointed TWO people who voted WITH the US Constitution, and our Founding fathers, GWBush has apointed 2 people who WILL vote to uphold the basic tenets of AMERICAN life.
On that alone, GWBush will be remembered in good light, as he should be, we were the vote of just one person away, JUST ONE PERSON, and we wouldn't be living in what could be called The Untied States of America, a federal Republic.
So here are the Names of the people who voted WITH America, and FOR the constitution:
John G. Roberts, Jr. (appointed by GWBush)
Antonin Scalia (appointed by Regan)
Anthony M. Kennedy (Regan)
Clarence Thomas (GHBush)
Samuel Anthony Alito (GWBush)
Now here are the Justices, who VOTED AGAINST AMERICA, and her founding documents and fathers:
Stephen G. Breyer (clinton)
Ruth Bader Ginsburg(Clinton)
David Hackett Souter (GHBush)
John Paul Stevens (ford)
I have to give GWBush credit for this, with either gore of Kerry, we would have seen Judges Like the CLinton Nominated Ruth BaderGinsburg... and thats not a good thing...
I rest my case, and IF you read this mush, thanks
i would like your opinion
Have i completly lost my mind?
No, hear me out.
As most of you should know, Yesterday, the US suprume court ruled in favor of upholding the second ammendment.
Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This key issue, was brought before the supreme court floor, and the 2nd ammendment was reaffirmed. By a slim 5-4 vote.
I think we need to take a step back and realise how close we just were to having our guns snatched. How close we were to having our most important US-given right takeing away.
The second admentment is the foundation for this country, what good are ANY of the other ammendments without the right to protect our selfs? BOTH, BOTH of President Bushes appointies to the supreme court VOTED with the second ammendment.
Its more then highly likely that is either Gore in 2000, or Kerry in 2004 were elected president, they would not have appointed so called Moderate-COnseravtives, like bush did. Rather then judges in the form of Clarence Thomas, we would have had 2 more judges like Ruth BaterGinsburg.
In all seriousness, if either Gore or Kerry were president for the last 7 and 1/2 years, todaay its more then likely, we would be living in a diffrent America. We would have had our guns taken away. Our most important right...
The second ammendment is alive today BECAUSE of GWBush. We were one vote away from the loss of our second ammendment. If the high court would have taken away the second ammendment, ALL HELL would have broken lose in the US. I doubt that people would say, "oh look, Ruth Baterginsburg says we cant be trusted with guns, only the goverment can have huns, lets give up all our guns!"....
Probaly wouldn't of happened that way.
George W Bush, our president, saved this country. For all his problems, and all the horrible decisions he made, this outcome is BY FAR the most important result from his presidency.
I mean what i am saying here.
GWBush SAVED this country. He added at least a few more years of American History.
The vote was as close enough as it was, 5-4, that means there are 4 supreme court judges that are incapible of reading... or outreighct dont care.
Do you people realise this? Can you imagine if you woke up, and the 2nd ammendment was no longer valid? I mean, this is truely astonishing...
realise this, for the first time SINCE 1791, the issue of YOUR gun rights were debated at the HIGHEST LEVEL OF OUR US JUDUCAIL SYSTEM. for the first time in over 200 years... this is one of the most basic, and open ammendments, thats why for 200+ years, there was no questions as to what it means... now the facist gun grabbers, are trying to take away our most fundimental American Right.
Realise, that it was by the appointements of GWBush, ALONE, that has saved this country from the unspeakable, at least for a while longer...
I am no GWBush fan, but this IS his legacy, he should be remembered as the president taht saved our guns...
Now some good quotes...
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."
Samuel Adams "The Father of the American Revolution"
"The right of self-defense never ceases. It is among the most sacred, and alike necessary to nations and to individuals."
President James Monroe (November 16, 1818)
"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invent against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
Thomas Jefferson letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823
"I hope, therefore, a bill of rights will be formed to guard the people against the Federal government as they are already guarded against their State governments, in most instances."
Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1788. ME 7:98
"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state."
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."
Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776
"None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important."
Thomas Jefferson 1803
"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well organized and armed militia is their best security."
Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President. Source: Eighth Annual Message, November 8, 1808
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
Thomas Jefferson's advice to his 15 year-old nephew
"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."
Samuel Adams
"The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms."
Samuel Adams of Massachusetts -- U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788
"Suppose that we let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal: still it would not be going to far to say that the State governments with the people at their side would be able to repel the danger...half a million citizens with arms in their hands"
James Madison, The Federalist Papers
"Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense."
John Adams (1735-1826) Founding Father, 2nd US President
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams (1735-1826) Founding Father, 2nd US President
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large, is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton
"The right of self-defense never ceases. It is among the most sacred, and alike necessary to nations and to individuals."
President James Monroe (November 16, 1818)
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
George Washington
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
George Washington
"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole body of the people except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them..."
George Mason
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
"The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry
"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops..."
Noah Webster, An Examination of The Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Philadelphia 1787
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe."
Noah Webster
I could go on and on... but heres the point
For all the Flack Bush gets, for all the therioes saying the he is marching towards a NWO, and that he is an evil man, and that he is a moron....
HE, HE appointed TWO people who voted WITH the US Constitution, and our Founding fathers, GWBush has apointed 2 people who WILL vote to uphold the basic tenets of AMERICAN life.
On that alone, GWBush will be remembered in good light, as he should be, we were the vote of just one person away, JUST ONE PERSON, and we wouldn't be living in what could be called The Untied States of America, a federal Republic.
So here are the Names of the people who voted WITH America, and FOR the constitution:
John G. Roberts, Jr. (appointed by GWBush)
Antonin Scalia (appointed by Regan)
Anthony M. Kennedy (Regan)
Clarence Thomas (GHBush)
Samuel Anthony Alito (GWBush)
Now here are the Justices, who VOTED AGAINST AMERICA, and her founding documents and fathers:
Stephen G. Breyer (clinton)
Ruth Bader Ginsburg(Clinton)
David Hackett Souter (GHBush)
John Paul Stevens (ford)
I have to give GWBush credit for this, with either gore of Kerry, we would have seen Judges Like the CLinton Nominated Ruth BaderGinsburg... and thats not a good thing...
I rest my case, and IF you read this mush, thanks
i would like your opinion
reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 06:20 PM by Dubyakadubla
reply to post by TKainZero
This whole thing that plays out, is something that was long prepared and the time to dispense has arrived. Just look back for a moment and note that ashcroft was especially hired to work out the Official Gagging Orders and he's gone....so did the others who did their bit to screw us all.
Fact : We are now governed by a group of Gestapos and do not be surprised if Massive Prisons are kept in place for citizens, who do not tow the line, with marching orders like sheep......That is why, they desperately want GUN FREE Sheepheads
This whole thing that plays out, is something that was long prepared and the time to dispense has arrived. Just look back for a moment and note that ashcroft was especially hired to work out the Official Gagging Orders and he's gone....so did the others who did their bit to screw us all.
Fact : We are now governed by a group of Gestapos and do not be surprised if Massive Prisons are kept in place for citizens, who do not tow the line, with marching orders like sheep......That is why, they desperately want GUN FREE Sheepheads
reply posted on 27-6-2008 @ 08:36 PM by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by TKainZero
The Supreme Court just overturned a handgun band for DC, they didn't save or guns. Our guns are not any safer (or in any more danger) now than they were before this decision.
George Bush had little to do with it.
Any why is this in the Decision 2008 Forum? George Bush is not running. Is he? He's not, is he?
The Supreme Court just overturned a handgun band for DC, they didn't save or guns. Our guns are not any safer (or in any more danger) now than they were before this decision.
George Bush had little to do with it.
Any why is this in the Decision 2008 Forum? George Bush is not running. Is he? He's not, is he?
reply posted on 29-6-2008 @ 01:29 AM by redbarron626
reply to post by TKainZero
Excellent Post! I will unfortunately have to say that GW should never be remembered as even quasi respectable! While i do believe that Alito and Roberts are a balancing force in The Supreme Court, their respective votes on a number of controversial issues leaves something to be desired.
Just for fun Google Alito and Roberts and read some of the articles about these two Justices.
Thanks for te Post it gave me some fresh insights!
Excellent Post! I will unfortunately have to say that GW should never be remembered as even quasi respectable! While i do believe that Alito and Roberts are a balancing force in The Supreme Court, their respective votes on a number of controversial issues leaves something to be desired.
Just for fun Google Alito and Roberts and read some of the articles about these two Justices.
Thanks for te Post it gave me some fresh insights!
reply posted on 29-6-2008 @ 02:05 AM by Mercenary2007
Actually the rulling handed down defines what exactly our right is
Ruling
1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home
Ruling
reply posted on 29-6-2008 @ 03:56 AM by Skipper1975
reply to post by TKainZero
sad to say,but the american gov..has been selling us out since the 1930's...i think thats when they started.
i found a vid collection that is both sad and funny in a way...
P1
p2
www.youtube.com...
p3
www.youtube.com...
sad to say,but the american gov..has been selling us out since the 1930's...i think thats when they started.
i found a vid collection that is both sad and funny in a way...
P1
p2
www.youtube.com...
p3
www.youtube.com...
reply posted on 1-7-2008 @ 05:08 AM by budski
I don't agree, but I thoroughly enjoyed reading it, especially some of the quotes.
However, for a real look at what Bush has "achieved" see the article link in this thread.
Doubtless some will agree, and some will disagree - but it's an interesting read, as was this.
However, for a real look at what Bush has "achieved" see the article link in this thread.
Doubtless some will agree, and some will disagree - but it's an interesting read, as was this.
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