The Final Nail In The Coffin: Irrefutable Proof the Flight 93 Crash Scene Is a Lie

This is officially one of the engines from flight 93, apparently freshly unearthed.

However, there are a few problems with this scene:

1) why did this engine go in the ground but the other one went flying away?

2) how exactly was it, that this heavy engine impacting the ground at 600 mph, only went ONE FOOT underground-- when the black boxes in the TAIL of the plane went at least 15 feet underground?

3) are they really using an excavator to dig out a hole that is in theory packed with human remains? Shouldn't they be doing this excavation a little more delicately?

4) as best as I can tell, this is the rear half of a crumpled up turbofan engine. Where is the front half?

5) most interestingly, the engine looks as though it went into the ground at a 90 degree angle. How can this be the case, when officially flight 93 hit the ground at a 45 degree angle?

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reply to post by Boone 870


Good info, Boone.

For Ivan....do you also believe USAir 427 was faked? Gee, a passenger's business card was discovered....Imagine that!! Must have been put there, planted as evidence of the crash.

reply to post by IvanZana


Oh, that tired old photo again!!! What was the date and time of the pic? Show, on a map of the scene, exactly where it was positioned. Maybe it's the APU??? Need more info!!!!

You official conspiracy nuts have yet to explain how the alleged wing dents on the ground in the above picture were created?

You guys have failed to explain how those "wing scars" are weathered , growing nice dry grass that is not even broken or burnt.

Re you going to avoid these questions again?

I dont think anyone here is really cares what your take is because I dont think anyone here really is considering you , BOONE, and WEEWHACKER as any credible or even worthy source or supporter the official story.

Remember Boone, If you know the truth and are knowlignly spreading lies and aiding the terrorists while collecting a government check, I think this should be taken seriously and should be dealt with the most seriousness.

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Oh btw BOONE dont forget this

quote]Originally posted by Boone 870
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IvanZana

Would you like to join us and fight to make this world a better place for our children?

BOONE..
By falling for conspiracy fantasies and advocating the murder of Israelis/Zionist/Jews? NO THANK YOU!




Who is advocating the killing of Jews? Are you really that pathetic to stoop to the level of calling people anti-semtic for PROVING WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT FLIGHT 93 DID NOT CRASH IN SHANKSVILLE on 911 ?

Are you really lacking that much credibility,intelligence, experience,maturity, proof and sources to argue this thread in a mature manner that you have to resort to name calling ?

If you read any of the material presented in the original post you would have learned that flight 93 did not crash in Shanksville on 911 and you would of save us alot of dribble from your fingers.


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reply to post by IvanZana


Nice weave and DODGE of legitimate questions.

Instead of an answer, you attack. Nice tactic, that!!

What are YOUR credentials??? Emmmm???? You post and post, but never write anything to tell the audience what makes you an expert.

I've shown that I have over three decades' worth of aviation and flight experience. What have you shown? Just stuff you find off of the internet, and post here because your mind is already made up, and you conveniently shy away from anything that doesn't fit.

reply to post by IvanZana

Who is advocating the killing of Jews? Are you really that pathetic to stoop to the level of calling people anti-semtic for PROVING WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT FLIGHT 93 DID NOT CRASH IN SHANKSVILLE on 911 ?

That would be you. Page 6 of this this thread.

Are you really lacking that much credibility,intelligence, experience,maturity, proof and sources to argue this thread in a mature manner that you have to resort to name calling ?

No. I was just expressing my gratitude when you offered me forgiveness since you want to hang people that you believe are guilty of a conspiracy.

If you read any of the material presented in the original post you would have learned that flight 93 did not crash in Shanksville on 911 and would of shut your mouth.

I did. I was very unimpressed.

We all know that no plane crashed in Shanksville and your lame attempts to prove one did is really making you 2 or 3 people look stupid and are really aiding of the destruction of the official conspiracy that 19 arabs did this.

There is no need to call anyone names.

I think I am reporting you on many levels after that STUPID anti-semtic comment.

Knock yourself out on many levels. I'm sure the moderators will contact me if I did anything wrong.

Oh yeah, please point out where I was anti-Semitic.

A another great video.

Mayor of Shanksville says no plane in crashed. Investigator say there was no jet fuel or anything that says a plane crashed.
It is a rare video and in another language but the interviews are in english.

reply to post by IvanZana


Ya know, I could claim that I'm a time traveller. I was onboard UAL93, but beamed off onto my StarShip just before the crash. I can't intervene, because of the Paradox of messing with the timeline.

Now, prove me wrong....

Oh....I just proved it wrong by mentioning it!! Of course, since no one believes me, then no harm done.

reply to post by IvanZana

Remember Boone, If you know the truth and are knowlignly spreading lies and aiding the terrorists while collecting a government check, I think this should be taken seriously and should be dealt with the most seriousness.

How serious? Kind of like hanging serious?

Please answer the questions because I would like to know if I need to call my NEW WORLD ORDER handler so that I can go into hiding.

reply to post by Boone 870


That's why I cannot, obviously, start a thread claiming I'm a Time Traveller. It is a lie, and not going to be in lne with the T&C. I wrote it, in a post, as a joke. BUT, I used it as an example.....

I'm washing my hands of this thread.

Until you guys can come up with a better argument for a plane actually crashing in shanksvile I'm done with it. Theres been plenty of supporting evidence that proves there WAS NO PLANE CRASH. Its all a staged act put on by our government to keep the people of this country scared.

Theres no point in trying to convince peope who dont look at things from a two sided point of view. Its just become an argument and i'm ducking out.

reply to post by W3RLIED2

Until you guys can come up with a better argument for a plane actually crashing in shanksvile I'm done with it. Theres been plenty of supporting evidence that proves there WAS NO PLANE CRASH. Its all a staged act put on by our government to keep the people of this country scared.

You haven't posted any evidence dis-proving that flight 93 crashed in Shanksville. Personal incredulity does not count as evidence, but thanks for participating.

Maybe the next time you can come back with facts and not have to resort to calling people fools.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Point taken, I am deffo not a pilot- however - it was a nose down crash so I felt it relevant - I'm having a hard time understanding why there is no debris - and why the crash site crater isn't bigger....Can you show me a link or do you know of another crash where there is no debris from a high speed nose down crash? That would be very helpful...or perhaps explain the physics of such a thing..? sorry to be so thick...if you have already done so maybe you point m to the post - Thanks

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Real Shanti,

It is not that often commercial airplanes are intentionally flown into the ground.

That being said, there have been crashes where debris has been smaller than what people are used to seeing.

Here is an example:

United Airlines Flight 585 (Boeing 737: much lower speed at impact, but an example of an airliner making a relatively small crater)

"The aircraft was turning from its 45° intercept to the extended runway centerline, and the first officer called "we're at 1,000 feet."

Dozens of witnesses in the community directly under the extended centerline watched as the airplane levelled off momentarily on the runway heading, 3.5 miles from the threshold. Then, it rolled to the right, pitched down until reaching a nearly vertical attitude, and compacted itself into a 39-foot wide, 15-foot deep crater in an area known as Widefield Park. All onboard were killed.

The first officer said, "Oh, God," - the altitude decreased rapidly; the indicated airspeed increased to over 200 knots; and the normal acceleration increased to over 4g."

- airdisaster.com

"There was no damage to structures on the ground. Trees adjacent to the impact crater were damaged by flying debris and soot, and nearby patches of grass north and northeast of the crater were scorched. The size of the impact crater measured approximately 39 feet by 24 feet and was about 15 feet deep.

- NTSB

reply to post by Boone 870


thanks boone - that helps a lot...the high-jacking letter is a little OT.....find that discovery too convenient but I know from personal experience how "enthusiastic" the Fed can be when making a case - but the pics are very helpful...

reply to post by realshanti


Here is another crash:

An RAF Canberra bomber, which crashed at a steep angle into a farm field at about 450-500 knots in 1952. "Such was the complete destruction of the aircraft that it made the job of the Accidents Investigation Branch a difficult one and all the wreckage recovered was taken back to Samlesbury and laid out in a Hanger for detailed inspection.

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reply to post by ThroatYogurt

cool thanks - not a lot of debris in this one either...comparing and contrasting can only be a good thing especially since most of us do not have the technical expertise to understand whats possible in crashes like this...my eyes may not tell me the whole story or convince me that our current administration was not complicit but it definitely makes a huge difference to be able to see comparisons..