Why are Betty and Barney Hill still relevant?

Thie Hills' abduction is probably the most widely cited abduction case in ufology. What is the reason for this. It happened in the 60s...Maybe the reason is that it was one of the first of the 'modern' abduction examples. Does anyone have any thoughts?

[edit on 24-6-2008 by 420prajna]

the reason its so important is because of the star map that betty drew up which was later observed via human advances in telescope technology some 7-8 years later. that fact alone is amazing. have you delved into the case or are you blindly asking?




[edit on 03/06/2008 by LordThumbs]

I think you answered your own question, it was the first modern abduction experience, introduced the greys and showed 2 well respected normal people who both had the same experience as brought out under hypnosis. Not to mention the physical evidence on her dress and the car.

Also her recollection of the star map was uncannily accurate years later when we actually had the ability to see those stars her account was very good..how would she know such a thing.

So yes, its still relevant.

Im hungry I think Im gonna have some Sushi, how about you?

Yes the repsonses have some merit, however I think there have been many more important abduction stories out there since then.

Possibly, but no matter what theirs was the FIRST well known and you could say 'pure' having no template to potentially follow. So yes it remains very important for that reason alone.

Originally posted by 420prajna
Yes the repsonses have some merit, however I think there have been many more important abduction stories out there since then.

[edit on 24-6-2008 by Ksavoy30]

Originally posted by 420prajna
Thie Hills' abduction is probably the most widely cited abduction case in ufology. What is the reason for this. It happened in the 60s...Maybe the reason is that it was one of the first of the 'modern' abduction examples. Does anyone have any thoughts?

[edit on 24-6-2008 by 420prajna]

I thought because this case was investigated then by well-known Boston psychiatrist and neurologist, Dr. Benjamin Simon and his final conclusion.

It was Major MacDonald who made the suggestion to the Hills that regressive hypnosis might account for the two hours of missing time. In the spring of 1962, the Hills contacted a psychiatrist about the hypnosis sessions, but decided to put it off for a time. All the while, Betty was still haunted by the dreams, and Barney's ulcer was worse, and he was again suffering from hypertension. After dodging reporters, and doing some research on psychiatrists, the Hills made a decision to contact well-known Boston psychiatrist and neurologist, Dr. Benjamin Simon, who was one of the most respected doctors in his field. After a couple of initial interviews, Dr. Simon's preliminary diagnosis was "anxiety syndrome," relating to the incidents of the night of September 19, 1961. His next step was to find out what those events were.

www.ufocasebook.com...

The method of treatment that Dr. Simon chose for the Hills was regressive hypnosis, which was meant to get to the source of their problem, whatever that may have been. He began the sessions on Barney, and then followed up with the same treatment for Betty. The process was slow, but after six months, it was Dr. Simon's expert opinion that the Hills had been abducted, and taken aboard an unknown flying craft on the night in question.

www.ufocasebook.com...


[edit on 24/6/08 by spacevisitor]

I haven't really looked into the complete history of this myself. In a way, it was almost like some type of appeasement to the public after the Roswell screwup. Let them listen to these abduction stories without enough evidence. These two people having been a mixed couple seemed to add to the confusion. It was so popular that they made a movie about it etc. As for alleged abductions; let's not forget about Elijah either.

[edit on 24-6-2008 by aleon1018]

It was the first abduction case I read about, I found it absolutely amazing and believable, however, a later abduction event was equally astounding, that of Travis Walton. The film made of the event is excellent viewing, IMO of course.
See link:
www.travis-walton.com...

here are few more interesting facts about why this is important to me..

for a skeptic the first thing they say about abductions is that it happens to some hill billy in tim-buck-two.

this was a case of betty who has a PHD and Barny, who worked for the US postal service at the time..interesting that the first documented case was from some very credible people. they were never known as wack jobs by family or friends. or co-workers, since it should be noted that barney had a great job. so its amazing how skeptics arent even aware of this.

also, i think its great that this is a case of two people not just one person getting abducted. the fact that its man and woman (married) is great as well, at least compared to some hill billy..although i will be the first to admit, ive run a cross a few hill billy cases, and they too seem very real, and very vivid.

we're all human after all right?

[edit on 03/06/2008 by LordThumbs]

So wouldn't you agree this is "Physical human proof" that the grays actually do exist?

I know it's not written down but what if our proof isn't in that type of form? Think about it these people under hypnosis only can draw and recall things that was later discovered by our telescopes"

Don't you think this is our proof that they do exist just proof what we are not used to yet?

I'm sure you want to see document after document after document. But you know your NEVER going to see documents of anything top secret. Because the government is keeping it from us for a reason.

In the UFO Community everything is always broken down to who has the most evidence / sources / images etc...

But everyone wants to know the truth. But the government will never show us those documents we crave to have.

So this is as close to physical proof I believe. Don't you agree?

I was looking for more info regarding this case after I saw the episode "The Gray Agenda" on the History channel.

Such an event to be documented at a time when individuals weren't heavily influenced by youtube, CGI, or other alien covered media is very convincing. As another poster stated above these individuals were highly credible and they were looked upon as normal people by their peers. So, they had no reason to make such a story up. This case is quite a mind boggler and to me it confirms the presence of the grays the individuals abducted for experiments. How many accounts of individuals that claimed to have abducted are true?, I don't know but it is likely such events take place after this case was revealed to me by the history channel.

Originally posted by LordThumbs
the reason its so important is because of the star map that betty drew up which was later observed via human advances in telescope technology some 7-8 years later. that fact alone is amazing. have you delved into the case or are you blindly asking?

[edit on 03/06/2008 by LordThumbs]

That star map was quite fascinating and especially to be drawn at a time when the scientific knowledge wasn't there to translate something like this.

Originally posted by prionace glauca
I was looking for more info regarding this case after I saw the episode "The Gray Agenda" on the History channel.

Such an event to be documented at a time when individuals weren't heavily influenced by youtube, CGI, or other alien covered media is very convincing.

I'm sure I remember hearing a few skeptics pointing out that an episode of The Outer Limits was broadcast on tv not long before the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. They claim they were influenced by that. I'd have to see that episode to make my own mind up about it.

As for the star map, I'm pretty sure I heard some crap about it being based on some ww2 bombing map or something....can't really remember it.

reply to post by trilateral_insignia


Can you provide some links to this info that you believe to debunk their account. I have read up on some older info on ATS regarding this case very briefly but I haven't seen any debunking info.

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Uhh I just googled Betty barney Hill Outer Limits and that seemed to bring up enough information for anyone interested in the case.


Whats wrong ? Ya'fraid of Google ?



=http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=enq=betty+barney+hill+outer+limits&btnG=Google+Search&meta=]

[edit on 24-7-2008 by trilateral_insignia]

[edit on 24-7-2008 by trilateral_insignia]

lol the link ain't working, just google Betty Barney Hill Outer Limits and you'll find everything you need.


[edit on 24-7-2008 by trilateral_insignia]

Like another poster said theirs was the first.The star map is another and its just a good story.Barney didnt handle it so well and they didnt get rich off it. As you can see from my avatar those two hold a special place in my heart.

May they both rest in peace.

reply to post by 420prajna


Many of the later abduction cases site aliens that look like what Betty and Barney Hill saw. The famous Walton abduction case came after the movie "The UFO Incident" aired. One could argue people read the book or saw the movie and merely copied the experience (that is why skeptics like the case).

There is much evidence in the Hill case that doesn't get much reporting, like the radar tracking of the object by Pease AFB.

Originally posted by Ksavoy30

Im hungry I think Im gonna have some Sushi, how about you?

hello, mr. synchronicity. im eating sushi as i read your post..
veggie roll to be specific (im vegetarian). cheers!

also, i agree, since theirs was the first well known and having no template to follow, it is a 'pure' abduction account... not to mention the accurate star map.

[edit on 24-7-2008 by v1.01]

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There is one other alternative explanation; and I do not for one moment feel that this diminishes the credibility of the Hills' story, but this alternative has to be at least considered:

If you recall a few years later the Cardinal Minzenty affair resulted in world-wide publicity, well-deserved. We now have very credible evidence that the Cardinal was brain-washed by the Soviets. The Cold War was heating up, and the Soviets were ahead in mind control, as the Minzenty business clearly demonstrated.

The "The Manchurian Candidate," both the original and the remake--as well as the reference to the phenomenon by writer John Marks in his book of that same name--the elaborate network of black technology is displayed, including the fact that virtually every psychiatric institution in America was involved, including the president of the American Psychiatric Association. It is equally as reasonable therefore at least to consider the possibility that this may have been a very clearly thought out project by our necrotically-evolving intel agencies, then in their infancy.

Dr. Ehrhart Gehlen brought mind control data obtained in Nazi camps back to this country when he and hundreds of other Nazi war criminal scientists were let in and granted citizenship through Operation Paperclip.

I don't doubt there was an abduction; however, it is therefore equally plausible to my way of thinking that it may very well have been Dr. Simon that led to The Grays, and not the other way around.