This is what happens if Iran is attacked in my opinion

This is what happens if Iran gets attacked, in my opinion.

First off if we do go into Iran and attack, which I do not think we will do as far as ground troops. In my opinion it will be limited to air raids by Israel and the US. If we do bring ground troops into Iran it would be suicide on our part since Iran has been being fed propaganda on the war in Iraq by al-jezerra. Just like most of America is being fed spoonfulls of propaganda by CNN and Fox news. But that is another topic and I do not want to derail the thread. Plus most Iranians are very happy with their government 2/3rds in fact. Source Now if we went in with ground troops, the propaganda and the overall patriotism would cause a substancial increase in insurgency in the populace of Iran. This would cause more US deaths and a never ending war.

Keep this in mind, Iran has a population of 71,208,000 est. Iraq has a population of 28,993,000 source . Again this would be literally a war that would go on for decades.

So if Iran is attacked, which I believe is going to happen if they do not solve the nuclear enrichment program diplomatically. The first retalitatory move of the Iranian government would be to first attack Israel. This unevitably will bring us to war with Iran.

I would also Like to point out that Iran is currently lobbying for membership into the S.C.O *Shanghai Cooperation Organisation* which Includes these countries:
Members Observers
* China * Pakistan
* Kazakhstan * Iran
* Kyrgyzstan * India
* Russia * Mongolia
* Tajikistan
* Uzbekistan

Together, SCO full and observer members form not only the world's biggest economic, military, nuclear and space power, but also the world's biggest producer and consumer of energy. Moreover, SCO countries (full members and observers) comprise a hefty 25% of Earth's land area. Although the declaration on the establishment of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation contained a statement that it "is not an alliance directed against other states and regions and it adheres to the principle of openness", many observers believe that one of the original purposes of the SCO was to serve as a counterbalance to NATO and the United States and in particular to avoid conflicts that would allow the United States to intervene in areas near both Russia and China.[33] Some observers also believe that the organisation was formed as a direct response to the threat of missile defense systems by the United States, after the United States reversed course in its nuclear policy and began promoting National Missile Defense.

The United States applied for observer status in the SCO, but was rejected in 2005.

Overall, if Iran gets attacked you can almost be certain they will retaliate. Like so many people have seen in their dreams parachutes coming down and foreign soldiers on our land. I believe I read a few posts on here with people having the same dream. Here is a dream a guy had in 2006:

This morning I woke up and went back to sleep for 2 hrs. A dream I was having woke me up because of its intensity. I work at the Railroad Yard in Enola, Pennsylvania which extends north and south along the Susquehanna River. In My dream, I was standing in the north part of the yard which faces towards the mountains and is divided by a Diesel Shop sitting in the middle of the Yard. Suddenly some about 50 to 100 airplanes came flying over my head from the north heading down river where 3 mile Island power plant is and Capital. Some planes were dropping men in parachutes. The planes were unmarked and the men who were landing seemed confused where to land. There were about 15 men landing who had red white and blue uniforms on but they seemed like they were not real American uniforms. I Ran to the Diesel shop to report an Invasion.
I then was in the shop on the phone and called 911. A Black women answered and asked if I could hold for one minute. Shortly she returned and said 911, what is the problem. I told her we were being invaded and about all the planes and men parachuting in the Railroad yard. As I looked out the window, I say what seemed to be 2 American Fighter jets chasing overhead after the foreign planes.
I was then almost speechless talking to the women because I then realized how severe the situation was.
I would appreciate any interpretation or input to this dream. I Live in the USA. I did not see anything yesterday that would prompt such a dream. I did not watch the news or a movie that would prompt it either. I was wondering if this could be a prophetic dream. When there was the earth quake in India , I woke up and went to the bathroom and while sitting there the message came to me , Earthquake. Shortly after that I turned on the news and heard about the big quake they had.
Thanks for helping me out here. Linky

Red white and blue uniforms? hmm... Russian Colors

With what I am about to say I am speculating ] "I could see the war coming to the US" Everyone has their own opinion on what will happen here in the US if Iran gets attacked. This is my opinion, please respect it as I respect yours.

-Kdial1

Edit to add: "in my opinion" In the thread title

[edit on 16-6-2008 by kdial1]

Sleeper cells maybe...as far like soldiers parachuting on american soil..never.

It would be a dream if if islamic forces WOULD don uniforms and fight on the battlefield.As opposed to dressing like civilians,and waging proxy wars through
terrorists.But alas,that would take courage and at least a modicum of civility.

Originally posted by kdial1
Here is a dream a guy had in 2006:

I don't think he had a dream, I think maybe he watched this

Red Dawn

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Attacking Iran would be the biggest mistake the "West" could ever make. Remember, the widely held view of the "West" being countires that uphold peace and democracy is based on the US Constitution, and the US, Britain & her commonwealth forces, & France & the resistance movement stopping Germany and it's foreign policy in WWI & WWII. In these instances, the "West" was not the aggressor but the defender, it didn't start the wars.

Since then, that has changed. The "West" has become the aggressor, we are starting the wars, and nobody supports an aggressor. There is a dispute between Iran & Israel. Israel has the nukes, so it has the ultimate power. The problem is Israel doesn't want Iran to have equal power. Well, that's just tough. If we attack Iran, we will lose the entire Middle East, they will no longer help the "West", and since they hold the oil, we should keep them on our side. If we lose the ability to trade with them, then we lose our oil supply, and the only consequence will be we will have to go to war with all countries in the Middle East region, and that can only mean one thing, WWIII.

My God people, in less than 100 years the entire world will have been at war 3 times!!!????? What does that tell you? We are incapable of having a global market, with global values and global similarities. We should stick to our regions, peoples and tribes and not interfere with others.

[edit on 17-6-2008 by Alethia]

Originally posted by alienstar
Sleeper cells maybe...as far like soldiers parachuting on american soil..never.

I think sleeper cells are possible, but highly unlikely although I will admit our government (US) employ's many Former Iranians for software work through defense contractors.

They have the security clearances that are top secret and above, I wasn't sure when I was working for a defense contractor exactly what kind of clearance these Iranians had, but I came to the conclusion they had to be top secret and above since they were working with Crypto.

I believe yes we can have foreign soldiers parachuting onto US soil. It would warrant a massive coordination on all fronts and require a World War Consisting of NATO against SCO. It is a scary thought but never say never it is a possibility, of course lots of events would have to lead up to it. We think we are so safe as americans but we forget that our own government failed us on 9/11 with lots of warning.

We have to remember that warfare has changed. It now is focused on Guerilla Warfare, enemies have learned from Vietnam, Afghan/Soviet and now Iraq that the new tactics are very effective with massive militaries. Only time will tell what happens.

-Kdial1

Originally posted by Alethia
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Since then, that has changed. The "West" has become the aggressor, we are starting the wars, and nobody supports an aggressor. There is a dispute between Iran & Israel. Israel has the nukes, so it has the ultimate power. The problem is Israel doesn't want Iran to have equal power. Well, that's just tough. If we attack Iran, we will lose the entire Middle East, they will no longer help the "West", and since they hold the oil, we should keep them on our side. If we lose the ability to trade with them, then we lose our oil supply, and the only consequence will be we will have to go to war with all countries in the Middle East region, and that can only mean one thing, WWIII.


[edit on 17-6-2008 by Alethia]

Not only that, but economic sanctions could be placed on us by the SCO and I quote:

Together, SCO full and observer members form not only the world's biggest economic, military, nuclear and space power, but also the world's biggest producer and consumer of energy.

This would either collapse our economy or help it by bringing jobs back to the US. I am no economics major so maybe someone could explain what kind of reprecussions freezing our assets and or putting economic sanctions on us from the SCO would have. Anyone?

Edit to add: I just noticed this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Iran withdrawing assets....this shows that they have no interest in stopping their Enrichment program. Something is going to happen soon. When stuff is not solved diplomatically we resort to other measures.

[edit on 17-6-2008 by kdial1]

First of all whatever countries you think are going to ban together to join this jumping exercise could take a huge effort.Involving plenty of cargo and transport planes.You actually think the airforce and national guard units going to let in all these planes without shooting them down?Since 911 ALOT dealing with shootdowns are different.We learned the first time.Would take a massive effort for even fighters to escort these support parachuting troops into our soil.I dont care what fighters they are.Thier dogfighting skills and technology dont fit to standing up.Not the mentioned around dc they even fly the raptor as national guard.That movie is just a make believe.Never will happen.But this is just a opinion.

Originally posted by kdial1
If we do bring ground troops into Iran it would be suicide on our part since Iran has been being fed propaganda on the war in Iraq by al-jezerra.
[edit on 16-6-2008 by kdial1]

If we tried another occupation it might be suicide but a well planned ground war that completely pulls out after all objectives are met is a different story. The might of the US military is still more than most people understand.

I am not advocating war with Iran at all and think it would be a horrible idea.

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When I was referring to a massive coordination as per my post

It would warrant a massive coordination on all fronts and require a World War Consisting of NATO against SCO. It is a scary thought but never say never it is a possibility, of course lots of events would have to lead up to it.

I was referring to a World war with the SCO which Iran is currently an observer. Yes their military (SCO) is bigger than ours in the bigger picture. I am sure that SCO could violate our airspace. But I highly doubt a strike on US soil when they can economically cripple us.

-Kdial1

As far as cutting the US off economically by other powers, please someone explain to me how this will happen? The US is currently the largest consumer state in the world....if countries cut off the US completely, then their economies will sink like a rocki overnight.

Who are they going to sell too?? LOL

That's a ridiculous statement, who are they going to sell to? What, no one else on earth buys anything?

There are upwards of 160 other countries on earth who could be sold to. The Earth's population is around 6.7 billion, and the US makes up 300 million of that (roughly 4% - which is astounding and telling in itself, 4% of the worlds population consume the most food and energy - selfish perhaps?). So there's still 6.4 billion other potential customers.

Furthermore, maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events, but oil supply is low, and food is being rationed in some countries. So, if people stopped selling to the US, there's more food for everyone else (which is very needed, especially as on average the US consumer throws away 1/3 of the food it buys), and there'd be more oil, so the price will go down. That's just the basics.

IN addition, there's the simples economics of supply and demand. The reason the US is such a big consumer is that it has high demand, demand that can not be satisfied or supported through local production, hence it being a big importer. I'd love to see how the US foreign policy would change if it suddenly had economic sanctions that meant it couldn't meet our demands. The government would quake in it's boots.

Typical red neck mentality, "The world needs the US!". No, it doesn't, in fact there are many who would love it to disappear, as evidenced by our current war effort.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
As far as cutting the US off economically by other powers, please someone explain to me how this will happen? The US is currently the largest consumer state in the world....if countries cut off the US completely, then their economies will sink like a rocki overnight.

Who are they going to sell too?? LOL

Erm.. believe it or not, there is a HUGE world outside of america, seriously... The world has existed long before America and will exist long after it.

Jeez, why do Americans think that they are above and beyond everything?

You guys know nothing about economics. Yes there are over 160 other countries in the world and you think if the US suddenly ceased to exist that these other countries would suddenly fill the economic void? Why arent they doing that right now then? Its not like these countries cant buy anything because we are buying it all up, its the fact that 140 or so out of those 160 contries can only buy what they are currently buying!! How are they suppose to become so rich overnight? You have no idea how much the US props up other MAJOR economies of the world.

And for the smart-@ss who said the world existed before the US and would so without it, well DUH. Yes the world did exist pre-America but the world economy at that particular time was not as integrated as it is right now. Its like dominoes. If suddenly the world lost the US, or China, or Russia or a handful of European countries, you can best believe the rest of the world would feel it in a major way.

Everyone wants us product why?Its american made,not cheap dime junk like slaved china with cheap wage.Its a addiction to the world,they will keep coming back for more.

To what US made products are you referring?

Originally posted by Alethia
To what US made products are you referring?

Not products! but oil!

We have the Iraqi oil fields and that means Kuwait. The Saudis are some what an allies of the US.

If China wants to keep it's economy going they need oil! they threaten to dump the dollar we would turn off the oil supply so fast their heads would spin!
We would move on Iran from East from Iraq and west from Afghanistan.

Russia would not say a thing they want their Pipeline through Afghanistan, to a warm water port.
they have all the oil they need.

So if I understand you right the war in Iraq is all about the control of oil? To stop the Chinese getting it?

Originally posted by princeofpeace
You guys know nothing about economics. Yes there are over 160 other countries in the world and you think if the US suddenly ceased to exist that these other countries would suddenly fill the economic void? Why arent they doing that right now then? Its not like these countries cant buy anything because we are buying it all up, its the fact that 140 or so out of those 160 contries can only buy what they are currently buying!! How are they suppose to become so rich overnight? You have no idea how much the US props up other MAJOR economies of the world.

And for the smart-@ss who said the world existed before the US and would so without it, well DUH. Yes the world did exist pre-America but the world economy at that particular time was not as integrated as it is right now. Its like dominoes. If suddenly the world lost the US, or China, or Russia or a handful of European countries, you can best believe the rest of the world would feel it in a major way.

Well if America dissapeared tonight I would still get up and have my breakfast tommorrow.

Get over the america is needed. Right now we could do with America on mute, or even better on pause. America is like a raging screaming child with a very stupid brain. They as a nation has caused more problems than any country in the last 8 to actually provoke world war 3

So I REALLY do think we'd do pretty ok without America. Now I'm not saying America should perish, but to say we won't eat breakfast tommorrow if it did, your sadly mistaken. There would be alot of positives to America being absent. But hopefully that country will start behaving itself on this planet...........

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This argument is like for 5 year olds. America just really hates when another country is doing well for its self.


Be very afraid the whole world is catching up. Be very afraid...
America just cannot stay number 1 power forever.

DEAL with it.