ATS 911 debunkers Dropping like Flies

Yep ..they are hanging themselves...
no matter how much PURE EVIDENCE is presented, the
debunkers still say "There is Not ONE SHRED of evidence".
"There is Not ONE SHRED of evidence".
"There is Not ONE SHRED of evidence".

Over and over and over again like a broken record.
Making Bold ATS HEADLINES every day just like any
good propaganda machine would.
BUT.....
now its OUR TURN
So do it TRUTHERS

make BOLD HEADLINE STYLE THREADS and use their own
tricks against them..yes its underhanded but we are at war.
and ALLS FAIR.

so like ....my next thread will be titled something like
.............um............

"911 truth movement scores BIG over Debunkers"

you get the picture huh?

So lets slap back for a change instead of getting slapped around all the time,...

reply to post by Maya432


Till you have new material to present, most debunkers would not care to go through another "Groundhog Day". It just gets old. Feel free to post what ever you want, you won't get much of a reaction without something new to present to support your side. You whole post seems kinda needy, if you have "won" they why continue to fight?

This is a little divisive, isn't it? Declaring "war" on 911 conspiracy debunkers?

I mean, from the day it happened, I knew that 911 was going to bring out the crazies in droves, and it did. But, after 7 years of nonstop conspiracy theory, and having witnessed the seething rage of the theorists first hand, I've started wondering if the 911 Conspiracy Theory phenomenon is itself a terrorist attack on America.

It has all the earmarks, including fanatical hatred, tunnel vision, unsubstantiated evidence, divisive propaganda, and now a declaration of war against debunkers — or against anyone who doesn't immediately fall in line with the fanatical position, I imagine.

I don't buy it, I'll never buy the "inside job" bullcrap, because it seems primarily targeted upon the current Bush Administration, as if this nation was never under attack before George Bush. We were under repeated terrorist attack for years before Bush entered office, and our government was spying on U.S. citizens for decades before Bush.

For 911 conspiracy theorists to spin terrorism on U.S. soil as a recent development while attributing it to a specific administration or political family is more than historical revisionism... it should be a red flag that this is a politically-biased attack intended to divide Americans against themselves.

And that sounds like terrorism to me.

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
For 911 conspiracy theorists to spin terrorism on U.S. soil as a recent development while attributing it to a specific administration or political family is more than historical revisionism... it should be a red flag that this is a politically-biased attack intended to divide Americans against themselves.

And that sounds like terrorism to me.

Well Mr. Disinformation Specialist, it sounds like you're the one who's trying to employ the old hegelian dialectic, divide and conquer against the truth movement instead of acknowledging the real neocon terrorists in the White House. Nice deflection.

I don't care which administration engages in false flag terrorist attacks against it's own citizens for political gain or endless war. Whether it's Operation Northwoods in the Kennedy administration or 9/11 by the Bush neocon cabal, they ALL need to be exposed.

Your pathetic attempt to turn the real patriots into "terrorists" is disgusting.

reply to post by Doc Velocity


Billo could not have said it better himself....you have just proven why you are dropping like flies.
I knew this would draw out the debunkers.....

I love the way you spinned it so that I was the terrorist..

the infowar is on

reply to post by GoldenFleece


yes Golden Fleece.... it is disgusting to see the tactics that are employed by these
Traitors......disgusting indeed.....

I figured this would be a good way to confront and expose some of them.


[edit on 13-6-2008 by Maya432]

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
This is a little divisive, isn't it? Declaring "war" on 911 conspiracy debunkers?

I mean, from the day it happened, I knew that 911 was going to bring out the crazies in droves, and it did.

Ad hominem

But, after 7 years of nonstop conspiracy theory, and having witnessed the seething rage of the theorists first hand, I've started wondering if the 911 Conspiracy Theory phenomenon is itself a terrorist attack on America.

Great, so when someone engages in an opinion different than yours it's terrorism? Sounds like George W. Bush method.

It has all the earmarks, including fanatical hatred, tunnel vision, unsubstantiated evidence, divisive propaganda, and now a declaration of war against debunkers — or against anyone who doesn't immediately fall in line with the fanatical position, I imagine.

I agree that there's a lot of disinformation and propaganda, but you have to take the evidence at hand and ignore those sites that spread lies. If you would actually look at the evidence you would probably come to the same conclusion, if you aren't stuck in your ways.

I don't buy it, I'll never buy the "inside job" bullcrap, because it seems primarily targeted upon the current Bush Administration, as if this nation was never under attack before George Bush. We were under repeated false flag attacks for years before Bush entered office, and our government was spying on U.S. citizens for decades before Bush.

Fixed.

For 911 conspiracy theorists to spin terrorism on U.S. soil as a recent development while attributing it to a specific administration or political family is more than historical revisionism... it should be a red flag that this is a politically-biased attack intended to divide Americans against themselves.

And that sounds like terrorism to me.

I don't know who does this, except people new to the 9/11 movement.

Cheers.

Moved to BELOW TOP SECRET RANT>>?????????????????????
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WTH WTH

THIS IS CENSORSHIP

I am PISS^D

I DEMAND that an OP explain this

this is a very valid subject about how no matter how much
prove that the truth movement supplies, there are those who
release BOLD STYLE HEADLINE THREADS saying that there
is NOT ONE SHRED OF TRUTH....

yet their threads stay were they are while mine gets TOTALLY
shoved to the BOTTOM of the pile..

this is HIGHLY un-fair

so much for FREE SPEECH AT ATS..

I no longer give a # who did and what. That is because both (!) sides mostly post comments without much of an insight into anything. Bigger problem still is that theorists themselves cannot really agree on anything much but that it was an inside job. I don't care if people find other people who agree with them or not, or if these forums contain more people believing in aspect y rather than x, but fact remains that only side capable of keeping something constant is the one who claims terrorists did it (and no that is not because they repeat some mantra, their theory has also gotten better over the years).

Make a whole, consistent, logical theory and publish it. Remember to include math and physics required. That would do it for me, but as of now such a thing does not exist. And no, I don't care if internet is full of that information because I would have to spend months digging around and discarding the crap out of jewels. If I can someday buy a good book that reasonable, critical people agree with I can support that writer and buy that book. But to spend months digging, no way.

That's because the "Truthers" (hilariously ironic name, by the way.) throw the same old garbage out again and again, regardless of how many times they're debunked. Any longer, arguing with these "truthers" is like arguing with a toddler. It's completely pointless as it's impossible to sway them, and generally they're only arguing for the sake of arguing in the first place. They don't actually care if they're right, they just want to feel like they've "won."

Luckily enough people have realized how ridiculous they are that they have virtually no influence on anything and we can just ignore them until they move onto something else...much like we do toddlers.

I find it funny that you start a thread with a very flimsy premise and start ranting and you wonder why it got moved to the RANT section of BTS.

Not that I want to beat a dead horse but, why do you think you are always right and it is everyone else that has got it wrong? What is your #1 piece of irrefutable evidence that you have that 9/11 was an inside job?

wow,, you sure are a hostile bunch .....damn

I think I have touched a very big NERVE.

the N.W.O has us by the short and curlies and all you can do is attack
a REALLY CONCERNED citizen.......

on top of being pushed to the bottom of the pile(kick him while he`s down)

thats cool.....

I know in my heart that I am a caring person and want the best for this world.

why would so many go through so much to push a subject down..

What subject????

the info war between the ones that believe the powers that be, and the
ones who don`t..

from what i can see I would say that the "truth' movement
is easily winning the info war here on ats.

in the MSM its the exact opposite , the truthers are getting slaughtered.

so how is this a rant.....
propaganda is a powerful tool.
and here on ats we have NO WAY on knowing who is
a citizen and who is a propagandist .

we don`t

When it seems each and every thread is quoting the same information sources time and time again, you're surprised when people quit bothering? You shouldn't be...

Come up with something even vaguely new, the debunckers will undoubtably be back...

reply to post by Maya432

You seem to be laboring under a common misapprehension, i.e. that being louder lends validity to ones argument. This is not the case. To back ones claims and create a convincing and credible argument, one must provide evidence that supports the claims, and one must be willing to entertain contrary evidence. When a piece of evidence is proven false, one must be willing to accept that, and provide alternate evidence in it's stead. If it has been proven false, it is false. Repeatedly claiming that evidence is true and real does not make it so. You may also want to take note of the definitions of the terms forum, discussion, and debate:

forum
1. A place for discussion.
2. A gathering for the purpose of discussion.
3. A form of discussion involving a panel of presenters and often participation by members of the audience.

discussion
1. Conversation or debate concerning a particular topic.
2. Text giving further detail on a subject.

debate
1. An argument, or discussion, usually in an ordered or formal setting, often with more than two people, generally ending with a vote or other decision.
2. An informal and spirited but generally civil discussion of opposing views.
3. Discussion of opposing views.

I believe it would better serve your cause and strengthen the credibility of your claims if you were to keep these simple guidelines in mind when making your case in the future.

Thank you for your attention. We now return you to your regularly scheduled rant...

Maya, read PsychoHazard's Post, it's pretty well sums it all up.

Originally posted by Maya432
wow,, you sure are a hostile bunch .....damn

I think I have touched a very big NERVE.

Only hostile when we have to respond to the same accusations over and over again. Even then it's not much hostility, more like a minor irritant.

so how is this a rant.....
propaganda is a powerful tool.
and here on ats we have NO WAY on knowing who is
a citizen and who is a propagandist .

That's funny. Most of the threads you have described aren't even from the real debunkers here. Are you actually thinking that opponents of your view, mocking your facts, are somehow shutting down your "getting the truth out" about 9/11? Here's a hint, get some new evidence to debate or learn to use the ATS search feature. Most everything regarding 9/11 has been discussed numeorous times. Hence my Groundhog Day reference, it's really a good movie.

I would welcome something new you could bring to the 9/11 debate factually. In fact I just asked you for your best piece of evidence and you launched into yet another Rant/Trolling.

Surely, you have something new to share right?




[edit on 20-6-2008 by pavil]

edit: wrong post

[edit on 23-6-2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]