Microsoft Dirty Tricks? 'Security Update' plugs up Internet - Solution Get Vista

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Buy more RAM Seriously
Buy more RAM!

Vista has a built-in security feature that, 'Supposedly', the previous versions do not have. This is supposed to use more system resources. (Processor and ram memory)
Vista also has the Aeroglass windows manager, which definitely does use more ram. (Vista Home Premium versions and above. Home Basic doesn't have this feature)
Vista uses the same kernel build that the previous Windows versions used. Windows 7 will be based off of this also. Light modifications have been made, but the security 'loop hole' still remains. (AND will remain!)
A Windows user operates at the same level as the Root file. This means the 'baddies' can access the Root file also.
A Linux user operates above the Root file. The Linux user has to purposely enter their username and password to access the Root file.
If a Linux user enters junk that isn't supposed to be there, the Linux O/S shuts off. Linux: "Have you lost your mind? This junk doesn't belong here!"
The Linux O/S goes into a rebuild of it's operating system files. When it has done this, it turns back on. Kind of like System Restore for Windows, but a WHOLE lot better!
I use Ubuntu 7.10 I also use the Compiz Fusion windows manager, and Wine. I invite you to go to YouTube, and enter -> Windows Aeroglass vs Ubuntu + Beryl Ubuntu + Beryl starts at 1:30
Beryl is the old version. Beryl merged and is now Compiz Fusion.
With the Compiz Fusion windows manager you can have a 3D desktop. You have four desktops. All you have to do is spin the cube. You can open several windows on each desktop screen. I have seen 201 so far, for the 4 desktop screens. You can run a video, open your email, IM, look at the current news, and play a game at the same time. |Why would you want to do this? Dunno'! maybe you get bored easily! Real life aspect that I can see, is that your boss or wife IM's you. Want's to know if you received their email. Let's say their email pertains to a current news event. There may be a video of it also. Something to do with the stock exchange, or your business. Look up Compiz Fusion on YouTube.

Now you have a secure O/S, it's free, has THOUSANDS of free applications and programs you can download, and you can use a windows manager that leaves Aeroglass in the dust. (OpenOffice is MUCH better than MS Office!
OpenOffice doesn't lose saved files. Kind of handy when you have years of tax info,and you DON"T WANT TO LOSE IT! Thanks MS Office! With OpenOffice, you can use anything generated on a computer that has MS Office. Anything generated on a computer that has OpenOffice, can be used on a computer that has MS Office. The OpenOffice layout looks VERY similar to MS Office, so there's no trying to learn new stuff. (Except for new names)

Did I mention OpenOffice is FREE? It's Open Source software. All Open Source software is written (Programmed) by professionals throughout the world. They have no ulterior motive, other than they want to do it, and feel it's fun. There's no 'payola' for them, so there's no obligation.

So don't worry about Vista, and come check out the worlds best Operating System!
(YES, Ubuntu with the Wine add-on can play games! You can play two games simultaneously! Don't believe that you can't. Anyone that indicates different doesn't know how to properly set Ubuntu up)

I have a question. If you use Ubuntu, can you use applications like Adobe CS3 Master Suite? I do alot of Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere, and Encore stuff, and I don't think I could use an OS that would not allow me to use my programs.

Use Linux.

No secret code lurking within, monitoring your keystrokes, web browsing history, or internet shopping habits. Practically immune to virus/spyware/adware attack. Incredibly stable. Almost hack-proof.

There is a version out there just perfect for you, whether you want total control or total user-friendliness.

And most of them are free.



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Originally posted by joecoolsvette

I have seen 201 so far, for the 4 desktop screens. You can run a video, open your email, IM, look at the current news, and play a game at the same time. |Why would you want to do this? Dunno'! maybe you get bored easily! Real life aspect that I can see, is that your boss or wife IM's you.

Here's how I use the multiple desktops in Linux:
1. Firefox for random browsing
2. File manager windows for moving stuff around
3. Eclipse (programming environment) workspace
4. PDF and CHM viewer for programming reference
5. Firefox for first-party (business contact) websites
6. Evolution email

Yes, that's more than 4 (the 'cube') - by the way, you can increase that, and make an octagon, or whatever number of sides you want. It's so easy just to press Ctrl+Alt and left/right arrow to rotate the screen to another workspace...

By the way, if you want to run XP or Vista, or whatever, realize that WINE is a Linux program that lets you run most Windows programs natively under Linux. If that's not enough, you can run VirtualBox, which will let you run an entire 'virtual' XP or Vista machine inside a window in Linux! Plus, you can connect your disk drives as mapped 'drive letters' in the VirtualBox, and move files back and forth, and use the clipboard to copy stuff, etc. Very cool, to reduce 'Windows' to running in a window, where it belongs!

Originally posted by gulfstreamsalt

Strangely and magically when I unstalled the latest security patches from 'Microzoft' all of a sudden the machine speed up incredibly - and my Mozilla is working well again...

What was the Microsoft KB number (Knowledge Base Number) for the update you uninstalled?

I am interested in what the changelog and bugfix details for it say, and why it was released.

We then may be able to speculate on possibilities, based on what these patches or updates were supposed to do.

I have a very different take on this ....

It really depends on what you are trying to do with your computers - I run a lot of computers professionally as well as personally. In my professional context, performance and reliability are critical, coupled with the ability to handle a wide range of bits of hardware and specialised software. I run both 32 bit and 64 bit systems.
Bottom line - if you use the premium versions on vista on modern hardware and set it up correctly - it works a treat and must better than xp... I can tell you straight-up that I have virtually no down time with my vista based systems and thats including virus attacks.

The biggest problem with vista - is that one should not look up on it as xp and previous veriosn of windows - and for advanaced application one must set it up correctly for the applications you are running. By default it works well for MS office of course. Also never upgrade a system to vista - only go to vista starting new unless you are going to fully "cold install".

Also I find vista multitasks well - far better than xp ever would.
As a business solution vista does the job, works without hassel, all proper software runs incredibly reliably and compatibly.

Sometimes people come to me with vista systems they are grumbling about, 10% of the time it is very old or faulty hardware, 60% incorrectly installed or set up for what they are trying to do, the rest tends to be user problems (not understanding or fiddling) - 100% success at getting vista system doing what is needed...

Yes if you want something to hack - or a low cost reliable sever - go linux - if you want an office or business machine compatibile with all off-the-shelf business software and little maintenance issues or costs - go vista - but make sure it is the premium version (the full set !)

If you use Ubuntu you can use gimp instead of that over priced photoshop.
gimp is open source.

I am duel boot with windows XP and Ubuntu
The day i can no longer use windows XP is the day I format that hard drive and leave windows forever. that hard drive will then become a clone backup of the Ubuntu drive. so that i never lose data again.

Till then i am continuing to build Ubuntu to build the O/S I want.

I had the amusing experience this Christmas of 'upgrading' my mom's Vista machine to XP. She loves how fast it is, and how all the applications work the way she is used to! I try and avoid the XP-vs-Vista wars, since I hear so much rhetoric from both 'sides', but it's interesting to see a first-hand example...

I also installed Ubuntu on my nephew's computer, with Compiz and the rotating 'desktop cube'. Installed WINE so he could run Warcraft (very cool with the rotating desktop to switch between maps and such), and VirtualBox with a complete XP install so he could run Itunes and any other XP stuff he was used to. Mapped the Ubuntu home folder to a VirtualBox drive letter, made desktop shortcuts so file transfers are seamless, etc.

I actually had fun maintaining my family's computers this Christmas! Surprise! My nephew is still wiggin' out over the 'paint with fire' plugin in Compiz; I think all the range of cool stuff to play with there is a real plus, although I can understand how some people just want something simple - hence the fact that the default Ubuntu 'desktop effects' are so limited, and you have to install the extra Compiz configuration program separately to get all the really neat effects.

But, considering how different Vista is from XP, I think Microsoft made a real mistake - people seem to be really happy trying Linux - I mean, if you're going to have to learn another OS anyway, why not try something new? My nephew made my day when he say - "hey, it's really neat that the computer just works, always like just 'here ya go!', fast, never any weird crashes or stuff". Warmed my penguin heart.

Edit: this applies to XP only

That's odd my IE takes about 30 seconds to load and firefox takes about 3 seconds to load and no I'm not exaggerating it takes three seconds from the time I click the Firefox icon till I see Google.

There are several rules of thumb I've found over the years.

1. Never download a new update or security patch until after about 30 days of availability so they can fix the security patch when it screws everyone's system up case and point, one security patch caused users to lose all internet access and the patch was not uninstallable users had to re-install windows because it borked the system up so bad.

2. Windows xp runs tons of stuff in the background that if you are not running a server it is much safer to disable everything not required and this also helps with security and can actually cause the number of security patches you need to download to be much less but it does take a bit of computer know how to safely and effectively do this.

3. If Firefox is slower than IE in my experience it's been because of viruses, maleware, plug-ins, some keyloggers can cause this and is best to do an online maleware/spyware/virus scan as opposed to your computer doing it in case the programs you use have been worked around by these products (this would be in a worse case scenario).

4. Run a program called regseeker it's free and works wonders to help clean up the registry.

5. On the start menu in XP Click on run and type in the box: msconfig
then click on the startup tab everything in there can be unchecked and your computer will still be fine however if you recognize a program in there you use you can just leave a check mark next to the program. What your really looking for is blank entries that have a check box next to them (very bad and pry what is causing slow downs) or anything like toolbars etc. as they all cause start up times to slow and really bog the system down. The beauty about this is you can uncheck everything (in the start up tab only) re-start the computer and you can always go back and check everything again if you decide too.

If your having start-up problems this is where I would go for XP and stay away from updates newer than 30 days old. If you have a firewall or a wireless router you should be fine waiting 30 days before updating if not then decide if it's worth taking the risk of waiting or not.

If your using instant messaging and it loads on startup you will always have a slow loading computer and browsers. Hence I have never and will never use IM services as they bog systems down bad and 75% of calls I get about computers slowing down is fixed by solely taking these out of start-up's.

[edit on 5-1-2009 by Darthorious]

Originally posted by Ian McLean
I had the amusing experience this Christmas of 'upgrading' my mom's Vista machine to XP. She loves how fast it is, and how all the applications work the way she is used to! I try and avoid the XP-vs-Vista wars, since I hear so much rhetoric from both 'sides', but it's interesting to see a first-hand example...

I also installed Ubuntu on my nephew's computer, with Compiz and the rotating 'desktop cube'. Installed WINE so he could run Warcraft (very cool with the rotating desktop to switch between maps and such), and VirtualBox with a complete XP install so he could run Itunes and any other XP stuff he was used to. Mapped the Ubuntu home folder to a VirtualBox drive letter, made desktop shortcuts so file transfers are seamless, etc.

I actually had fun maintaining my family's computers this Christmas! Surprise! My nephew is still wiggin' out over the 'paint with fire' plugin in Compiz; I think all the range of cool stuff to play with there is a real plus, although I can understand how some people just want something simple - hence the fact that the default Ubuntu 'desktop effects' are so limited, and you have to install the extra Compiz configuration program separately to get all the really neat effects.

But, considering how different Vista is from XP, I think Microsoft made a real mistake - people seem to be really happy trying Linux - I mean, if you're going to have to learn another OS anyway, why not try something new? My nephew made my day when he say - "hey, it's really neat that the computer just works, always like just 'here ya go!', fast, never any weird crashes or stuff". Warmed my penguin heart.

lol I had a lady at work buy a lap top with vista on it even though I told her she would be better off without the laptop entirely lol

1 week after getting it she destroyed it (beat it with a hammer) and demanded her money back or one with xp on it. Surprisingly they gave her an xp loaded lap top. Only time I've ever seen that happen someone must have really felt bad for her lol

Originally posted by NGC2736
There's a painledd fix for these problems. Swtch to a Linux based OS. it'll run faster, less problems, and Microstinks can't mess with your head.

Unlike even a few years ago, some Linux systems run everything Windows does, and are as easy to install as Vista.

Plus, you don't need all those patches and spyware and crap. Best of all, you'll love the price.

I agree. These days, people should really try Ubuntu. Its easy to install, looks great once configured, has amazing 3D effects (better than Vista by far) and is fast and efficient. Installing programs using the package manager is point and click. Updates to all the programs you have installed is done by the update program. I mean, it cant get any easier or smoother.

And, and most important, Ubuntu does not slow down with time like Windows does. Its always fast and very stable. You never have to reboot the machine unless you install a new kernel, you just stop & start the program you just updated instead.

Overall... Ubuntu is way ahead in terms of technology and ease of use.