Originally posted by crgintx
reply to post by me_ofef_seraph
I'm not "applying" my euro-western social standards upon anyone. But I am applying my euro-western standards (among other standards) to how I think
and feel about other communities, yes. It's hard not to. We are all shaped by our environment. I am simply offering my opinion on what values and
factors should be maintained for a community to prosper and become something positive. Reading my post, I guess I came down quite condecending on
these people, but that is only a result of how unappealing their community was to me judging by that trailer. This is only my opinion about how these
people choose to live.
Offering my opinion about a group of people who live in a seemingly chaotic community with few rules and no adherrance to US or state laws (these are
Americans we are talking about) can hardly be compared to what the Europeans did to the native Americans. The European conquest of North America was
an entirly different thing, of which I do not think highly of to say the least.
It can't even be said to be very ethnocentric of me. I have a clear insight into alternative communities and living. I have lived for months in
squats myself, I have lived a few days in a tree village in the UK and I have a lot of friends who live in communities with ideas very much like these
folks. That doesnt mean I am an authority on this, but it does show that I am not attacking the general idea of the people organizing their own
communities. I am not necessarily critizising these people with a base in a middle-class euro-western culture (of which I grew up in and currently
live in I guess), but rather from a base in the culture of values and organizational efforts I belive should be present in any community seeking to
free itself from the boundaries of the mindless and slavebound lives most people in the west live. In my opinion, there are better examples of
freedom-seeking groups organizing communities of their own. I guess it sort of strikes me as odd that these guys are fronted like this.
I guess I am very negative to un-orderly and chaotic communities in relation to well organized or less radical communities. Many of the communities I
have lived in in the past have been communities I in retrospect would view as #ty and totally non-constructive, and a lot of them where organized
outside the law, but that is just how my take on society has developed.
Mind, this is of course purely a subjective view upon this community, and a view that may very well change in light of more detail about the
community. How these people look upon the world, how they relate to it, what politics they have and how they relate to relegion is also unknown, but
irrelevant to developing an opinion on how good I believe their community to be.
If what they are doing is right or wrong is an entierly different discussion. Clearly they think they are not subject to US or state laws, which is an
error in itself, but I would not say that disobediance to the law is wrong. Disobediance to the law is healthy, or at least keeping disobediance to
the law as an option is. Respect for the law, or at least respect for the concept of law and rules should always be present in larger collectives of
human beings though, less we see a high degree of authoritarian and chaotic tendencies push through.
I don't percieve my own scandinavian society to be the best there is, and I try to understand how other people choose to live and how their culture
is, based on attempted understanding of the culture/society in question, but some factors I feel should be present for me to applause an autonomous
community... Like security, law/rules, democracy, order, organization, collective effort.
I guss there is a reason why i choose to live in somewhat mainstream society, even though I do not like everything about it.
[edit on 30-6-2008 by me_ofef_seraph]