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Forget Your Morals: Why the Gov't Cannot Allow Gay Marriages

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posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 08:35 PM
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Do most of you realise you are going on what a medieval pope deemed acceptable in terms of sexuality?
Probably the same pope and at least the same time frame that deemed womans sexuality evil, and the work of the devil? The same judgment that caused the persecution of women for centuries?

Before the Middle Ages a womans sexuality was celebrated!

A womans bare breast was only considered a sexual thing by decree about 200 years ago! Before that they were as common as a face!

How long did it take you to get it back? 200 years? 300? Have you ever actually recovered from the proclamations of 500 or more years ago?



Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history.

- George Bernard Shaw








[Edited on 26-2-2004 by kegs]




posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 09:14 PM
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first off, thanks for all the opinions.


for some reason I am just off today, and I can't seem to express myself properly. It is not just the immigration issue, there are others but that is a main one, it is about how the policies of this country works. The marriage procedure to citizenship takes around 2 years, some less, some more. do people really think that terrorists and people with bad intentions wouldn't use this to their advantage and not wait 2 years to legally enter this country? How come I am the only person that sees this???

Anyway I don't you think most of your are getting what I am trying to say, so I'll just say this.... and do not say it is not possible, anything and everything is possible and our government is and has been thinking about
"my so-called ridiculous and far-out theory"

Our govt is thinking beyond what you are thinking and I bet you, the Department of Homeland Security sees the valid "risk" of allowing same sex union. They realize how the policies, laws, and justice will negatively be affected by this. There would be more lawsuits than ever, the influx of immigrants would also dramatically rise, now everyone would be able to make money off of the immigration marriage scam...Please tell me you realize that a large number of immigrants come to this country thru the marriage scam already, just imagine if men can marry men and women can marry women, how many more people would be putting applications into INS. INS cannot handle the current number of visas applicants without a screwup, now double and triple their workload and see what happens..

btw, where are the others who were very vocal about opposing Gay Marriages in some of the other threads, don't tell me you only had ignorant self-righteous religious reasons for opposing same sex unions and have no "real" reason why they shouldn't be allowed?????



posted on Feb, 26 2004 @ 09:17 PM
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well im all for em, i dont really care. ive got lesbian, bi, and gay frineds. sheesh im a dancer, i know TONS of gay guys. i love em to death.

i guess thats why i was really no help here



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
It is not just the immigration issue, there are others but that is a main one, it is about how the policies of this country works. The marriage procedure to citizenship takes around 2 years, some less, some more. do people really think that terrorists and people with bad intentions wouldn't use this to their advantage and not wait 2 years to legally enter this country? How come I am the only person that sees this???

Do you really think that terrorists and people with bad intentions wouldn't use heterosexual marriage to gain citizenship into the US? What makes you think that terrorists are predominately gay, rather than straight? Is there some evidence to support your theory that same-sex marriage poses a real threat to national security?Do you think that they are just sitting around waiting for the US to recognize same-sex marriage?

...the Department of Homeland Security sees the valid "risk" of allowing same sex union. They realize how the policies, laws, and justice will negatively be affected by this.
What policies, laws, and justice will be negatively affected? Aside from the massive influx of marriage-scamming, foreign, homosexual terrorists, that is.

There would be more lawsuits than ever, the influx of immigrants would also dramatically rise...
The right to religious freedom protects the right of a church to establish and adhere to its own criteria for who it will marry. That is not within the rights of the government to legislate.
Canada legalized SSM and they haven't had a huge rash of immigrants from all over the world trying to move in, so why would things be any different here?


now everyone would be able to make money off of the immigration marriage scam...Please tell me you realize that a large number of immigrants come to this country thru the marriage scam already, just imagine if men can marry men and women can marry women, how many more people would be putting applications into INS. INS cannot handle the current number of visas applicants without a screwup, now double and triple their workload and see what happens..

How many people do you think are gay as opposed to straight in the US? It's not nearly enough to double, let alone triple, any paperwork. Not for the INS or anyone else. Only about 5% of the men in North America are gay; another 3% or so are lesbians. Unless that whole 8% were to take part in marriage scams, I don't see how this would be a very legitimate concern.



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
I would like to know the REAL negatives to allowing SAME SEX Marriage.

Why The USA govt cannot allow Gay Marriages to be Legal.


If Gay marriage becomes legal, there would be rights given unto same sex couples that will affect policies of this which would threaten the security of this country.

First, something I keep trying to remind people of. RIGHTS are not something Given nor Taken Away by any Government or State Authority. Priviledges on the other hand are. The crafty Legal Magicians have been playing around with the language for way too long now and have distorted the meaning of very important words like Rights.

Second, you may have heard about something called 'Equal Rights'. That these 'Equal Rights' are for ALL PEOPLE, Equally. Not just Men, or Women, or White People, or Black People or Gay People, or Rich People, or Tall People, or Sexy People, but ALL PEOPLE. Hence the name 'Equal Rights'. You see, that means that these Rights are for Everyone, and also are not subject to the Authority of State or Federal Government and whether or not they feel you've been a good little suck up to their ruling over you. People almost everywhere in this country have forgoten that however.



any American man/woman could marry any other man/woman from another country and basically give them entry and citizenship to the United States.

just think of all the possibilities of terrorist and criminal activities that could occur from this. (hope I don't need to give examples)

I'm pretty sure this has been happening for a while now. Marriage for citizenship that is. Ever seen the movie Green Card? Ever hear about how many Vietnam Vets have married Vietnamese Women? Or how about the various 'Mail order Wives' american men can choose from, that will serve their man well to become an American Citizen? It's been happening for a while now.

Terrorists huh??? How marriage to a foreigner and that leading to Terrorists gaining access to the country has anything to do with Gay Marriage I have no Idea. Other than maybe your over active Paranoia mixed with your Homophobia and possibly your dislike of Foriegners.



I am sure there are many additional intelligent reasons as how the stability of this society could be affected negatively by allowing these same sex unions.
I don't know about the tax benefits, maybe someone can clarify if the govt would gain or lose money in the allowance of the same sex marriages?

Well, I'll tell you why the Government doesn't want it. Or atleast part of why they don't want it. One reason is because they are polititions who must Kiss the babies as well as steal their lollypops. What that means is that 'They Need Your Vote' and since a very large part of this country is Religious (Judeo-Christian mostly) they must do what those people support. Whether or not they actually do what they say, or feel the same isn't important, they must atleast act like they do. I can promise you that if there was an overwhelming amount of support for Gay Marriages, there would not be One Politition who would speak out against it. He would simply go along with whatever would get him elected.

I do have a reason why it shouldn't be a matter of Legality or the decision of the Government or State Rule though. The reason is because the State/Federal Government is supposed to be separate from Religious Matters. They shouldn't have any say at all about whether or not people get married. They shouldn't force the church to comply nor require them to refuse service. It isn't their business. Since they already recognize Civil Unions for Gays, I don't see why they are bitching about this 'Sanctity of Marriage' crap now. It's too late and it makes them all into hypocrites. It is just Political B.S. and sucking up for certain loyalties of certain groups, who they'll most likely stab in the back after election anyway.



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 07:52 AM
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oh I give up.

first off, I am not a homophobe and I was a foreigner to this country once, so do not judge me.

I don't care what people do in their private lives and I thought I was supporter of Same Sex Marriage, but I can see clearly that it is not an issue about 2 people marrying for love. And that same sex marriage opens the possibilities for more issues that you very same people who are pushing for it will later be complaining about, especially when our justice and immigration system gets tied up with even more lawsuits of discrimination and influx of same sex partners.

but like I said, I am done with this, you can think whatever you want to think of me, but I can assure that my idiotic ideas are being discussed at higher levels with much seriousness than you people tend to think...unfortunately people do not think about all the aspects of this situation, once again morals seems to overtake everything else.

There are real negatives of allowing any two people to join in civil unions, but it won't be realized until its too late.

and fyi, my gay neighbor and friend agrees with me, He and his partner doesn't believe that they need this govt to validate their relationship and do not see the need to get legally married...but I guess they and I are the just the exception .




[Edited on 2-27-2004 by worldwatcher]



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 08:03 AM
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any American man/woman could marry any other man/woman from another country and basically give them entry and citizenship to the United States.

just think of all the possibilities of terrorist and criminal activities that could occur from this. (hope I don't need to give examples)


How many gay terrorists do you know? Sodomy is even MORE frowned on in Arab countries than in the West...and I'd think that out and out lesbians (mostly due to women's restricted rights), would be even less likely to exist.....

This is a concern that doesn't have much basis....

As for the tax benefits...it really only applies if you have children, otherwise, most couples file separately.....depending on other factors.. Personally, I've known gays who make EXCELLENT parents and teachers, and if they adopt, should get the same EIC as married couples (which actually, they already do, as it is strictly based on if one is a dependent or not)....



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
oh I give up.

first off, I am not a homophobe, I don't care what people do in their private lives and I thought I was supporter of Same Sex Marriage, but I can see clearly that it is not an issue about 2 people marrying for love. And that same sex marriage opens the possibilities for more issues that you very same people who are pushing for it will later be complaining about, especially when our justice and immigration system gets tied up with even more lawsuits of discrimination and influx of same sex partners.

but like I said, I am done with this, unfortunately people do not think about all the aspects of this situation, once again morals seems to overtake everything else.



Hold on, I'm sorry if I upset you with my post. And for calling you a Homophobe. The Gay Foreign Terrorist thing just seemed a bit paranoid that's all. I meant nothing personal by it, honestly.

I don't see where all these new problems are supposed to come from however. Civil Unions are already ok. What is the big change?? How is this not already a case of simple Equal Rights??

Personally I think the Government should keep their big fat noses out of other peoples Personal Matters to begin with. No laws are needed to be made nor removed dealing with anyones personal devotion and partnership with someone else anyway.....

Don't leave your thread just because I'm a insensitive poster. I guess I'm a bit tired of others opinions also dealing with this whole Gay Marriage things too, and I vented on the wrong person. Not my intention, really.

Edit: Unsensitive to Insensitive. I can't spell, so sue me dammit!

[Edited on 27-2-2004 by mOjOm]



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
oh I give up.

first off, I am not a homophobe and I was a foreigner to this country once, so do not judge me.

I don't care what people do in their private lives and I thought I was supporter of Same Sex Marriage, but I can see clearly that it is not an issue about 2 people marrying for love. And that same sex marriage opens the possibilities for more issues that you very same people who are pushing for it will later be complaining about, especially when our justice and immigration system gets tied up with even more lawsuits of discrimination and influx of same sex partners.

but like I said, I am done with this, you can think whatever you want to think of me, but I can assure that my idiotic ideas are being discussed at higher levels with much seriousness than you people tend to think...unfortunately people do not think about all the aspects of this situation, once again morals seems to overtake everything else.

There are real negatives of allowing any two people to join in civil unions, but it won't be realized until its too late.

and fyi, my gay neighbor and friend agrees with me, He and his partner doesn't believe that they need this govt to validate their relationship and do not see the need to get legally married...but I guess they and I are the just the exception .




[Edited on 2-27-2004 by worldwatcher]

What I don't get about these immigration and justice threats is, why doesn't Canada have these problems? They legalised SSM a year ago and I couldn't find any information verifying these, or any, negative repercussions as a result. Is it just the US that is subject to these dangers? If so, why?



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 08:15 AM
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the point is...ANY ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO MARRY ANY OTHER PERSON, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE GAY.

Terrorist, Criminals, whatever, any male/male or female/female combinaton can occur. The people who will take advantage and abuse and use it for negative stuff are more than likely not going to be GAY

why is no one understanding me.....I need a break or something, I can't seem to put my point into words you people will understand.

Arabs terrorists and Foreign Immigrants won't be gay, but they will act like it if it can secure them entry into this country, help them get driver license's and jobs. The same law that will benefit the gays will hurt everyone else.

please please please don't think I am against Gays, again it has nothing to do what people do in their private lives. This is about how our laws, our systems and policies will be negatively affectly when any tom, dick, harry, sally, or susie can get married without even being GAY.

(Screams, bangs head on the desk and runs for a nicotine fix)



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 08:20 AM
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Okay... some social, political, legal, and cultural issues you haven't been aware of:


Originally posted by worldwatcher
I would like to know the REAL negatives to allowing SAME SEX Marriage

It's been practiced in a lot of cultures throughout time. Historically, it did NOT destroy the society. It didn't cause the culture downfall, it didn't cause problems for children.

In many cases (and it is practiced in some areas of Africa today), it gives protection and wealth to the partners and security for their children:
www.warmafrica.com...

It also occurred in American Indian tribes, and in Sparta (and Thebes, among others -- the most powerful nation-state in Greece for a very long time), homosexual bonds were what kept the army and the nation strong ("men are for loving, women are for children" was the attitude)

www.pbs.org...



If Gay marriage becomes legal, there would be rights given unto same sex couples that will affect policies of this which would threaten the security of this country.


How does the marriage of one American to another threaten the security of the country?


any American man/woman could marry any other man/woman from another country and basically give them entry and citizenship to the United States.

They can do this now. They *are* doing this now.


I am sure there are many additional intelligent reasons as how the stability of this society could be affected negatively by allowing these same sex unions.


Didn't seem to affect the stability of any ancient or modern societies. The countries in the world which allow it haven't suddenly collapsed in economic and social chaos.


I don't know about the tax benefits, maybe someone can clarify if the govt would gain or lose money in the allowance of the same sex marriages?

Married couples pay tax on the combined incomes of the partners. So the government would get more money. If the couple did not adopt children (or have them by other means), there would be no tax deduction then.

...and the presence/absence of marriage contracts for them is not something that turns people gay OR bisexual. You either are, or you aren't. The absence of marriage contracts would not change the fact that I'm an extreme heterosexual.



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 08:22 AM
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Still though, they can ALREADY DO THIS..

If they can find a willing citizen of the same sex, what makes you think they can't just as easily find a willing citizen of the opposite sex? I guess this is where we are having trouble seeing your angle....

Most terrorists wouldn't mess with the trouble... They don't need to be citizens in order to carry out their plans, just Visas... Not to mention, that when applying for citizenship, their background is even more thoroughly investigates...something NO terrorist wants.

Simply put, it wouldn't be in the terrorists' best interest to go this route...and if one really wanted citizenship, it wouldn't be that hard with money and connections...without the need of a phony marriage.....



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
the point is...ANY ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO MARRY ANY OTHER PERSON, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE GAY.

Terrorist, Criminals, whatever, any male/male or female/female combinaton can occur. The people who will take advantage and abuse and use it for negative stuff are more than likely not going to be GAY


Couldn't they just as easily pose as male/female couples to get in and cause terror. Or even pose as a mexican immigrant for that matter now in California. Plus, Criminals can marry now, but they are still criminals. So far our Terrorist Watch has been busting everyone with brown skin or living in a 3rd world country anyway as well. It makes no sense at all that Gay Marriage will somehow become a hole in security that allows terrorism.

I'm sorry, maybe I am just not intelligent enough to understand your superior knowledge of how to break through an enemies defenses using minor public policy. Walk me through how anything of major importance or change will result from this in terms of National Security.



why is no one understanding me.....I need a break or something, I can't seem to put my point into words you people will understand.

Arabs terrorists and Foreign Immigrants won't be gay, but they will act like it if it can secure them entry into this country, help them get driver license's and jobs. The same law that will benefit the gays will hurt everyone else.

please please please don't think I am against Gays, again it has nothing to do what people do in their private lives. This is about how our laws, our systems and policies will be negatively affectly when any tom, dick, harry, sally, or susie can get married without even being GAY.

(Screams, bangs head on the desk and runs for a nicotine fix)


Ok, you're not against Gays. I will forever address you as the worlds greatest Gay Supporter. However, linking the Marriage of Gay/Lesbian couples to Terrorists pretending to be Gay to get in the country is as paranoid and confusing as THENEO's idea that the real reason they wanted to get married was so they could begin creating Gay Children Clones using their Gay DNA. It's no wonder Equal Rights for Blacks, Women and everyone else is like some way out fantasy. People have become so alienated from other people so much other human beings are thought of as some Alien Creature with Sinister Motives and Plans of Destroying all mankind or something.....

Do you people go into shock while leaving your neighborhoods or any place known and familiar??? I hope to god nobody who looks or acts different than you ever comes to you for help of some kind. You'll probably assume they're there to mug you and shoot them in fear of your life.



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 08:35 AM
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What I don't get about these immigration and justice threats is, why doesn't Canada have these problems? They legalised SSM a year ago and I couldn't find any information verifying these, or any, negative repercussions as a result. Is it just the US that is subject to these dangers? If so, why?


As you stated, this has only become legal in Canada for about a year now. The immigration issue hasn't been brought up yet, because takes about 2 years at least for the process. I am not saying that as soon as we legalize Same Sex Marriage, the immigrants and potential terrorists will be at our doors....this is about the future, it takes more than a year to see the negatives of issue that so many consider positive. It is too early to see the full effect of same sex marriages in Canada.

look, if this is only about morals, and there is absolutely no negatives other than some religious ideals being shattered for some, then gay marriages should be allowed.

but I still firmly believe that there are other issues that will arise from allowing same sex marriages that are not being considered.



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 08:41 AM
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Ok, you're not against Gays. I will forever address you as the worlds greatest Gay Supporter. However, linking the Marriage of Gay/Lesbian couples to Terrorists pretending to be Gay to get in the country is as paranoid and confusing as THENEO's idea that the real reason they wanted to get married was so they could begin creating Gay Children Clones using their Gay DNA. It's no wonder Equal Rights for Blacks, Women and everyone else is like some way out fantasy. People have become so alienated from other people so much other human beings are thought of as some Alien Creature with Sinister Motives and Plans of Destroying all mankind or something.....

Do you people go into shock while leaving your neighborhoods or any place known and familiar??? I hope to god nobody who looks or acts different than you ever comes to you for help of some kind. You'll probably assume they're there to mug you and shoot them in fear of your life. [quote by mojom]


Is that bull# really necessary?????
Once again you are judging me. I am really getting fed up of how people cannot discuss things in a rational manner without personal judgment. I enjoy debating issues, no one else is assuming things about me that they cannot possibly know.


[Edited on 2-27-2004 by worldwatcher]



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
What I don't get about these immigration and justice threats is, why doesn't Canada have these problems?

Because the "problems" don't exist.


They legalised SSM a year ago and I couldn't find any information verifying these, or any, negative repercussions as a result. Is it just the US that is subject to these dangers? If so, why?

No, the US isn't "subject to these dangers." Certain people scream that this will happen -- but the terrorists who want to enter the US can get in much more quickly and easier through work visas or (most likely) student visas or regular visas.

Why go to the trouble of trying to find an American to court/marry when you can just apply to a university, show up at emigration with the letter of acceptance, and say "I'm enrolling, I have money, please let me in."


but I still firmly believe that there are other issues that will arise from allowing same sex marriages that are not being considered.

We can collect more taxes. I have some friends (a lesbian couple) who can have the same legal and social rights when a partner falls ill as I have. My lesbian friends can inherit the other's property when the other partner dies. My gay friends (long-term couples) can put a non-working spouse on thier health insurance.



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
Is that bull# really necessary?????
Once again you are judging me. I am really getting fed up of how people cannot discuss things in a rational manner without personal judgment. I enjoy debating issues, no one else is assuming things about me that they cannot possibly know.


Ok, so it was a poor excuse for humor. But I just do not understand where you are getting these ideas from. Anyone who wants to get in the country using Marriage can do so now just the same. Just because you are Gay doesn't mean you have automatic immunity from any and all normal security protocol. Not to mention that when you apply for marriage certificate you have to fill out more paperwork, get a blood test, etc. I would think that terrorists would most likely want to avoid this type of exposure if possible. There are a billion and one easier ways to get access to this country.

This isn't going to crash our economy, surely won't result in overpopulation, it won't turn other people into gay people, it certainly can't do any damage to the idea of marriage with it's 60% divorce rate now, nor could it do any more damage to the piss poor family structure either, as most kids are raised by their TV and Playstation more than actual parents anyway.

I have no doubt that somebody will certainly 'Spin' Gay marriage into being the lead cause of Terrorist activity. Just like they 'Spin' the fact that all crime in this world is masterminded by Drug Mofia Communist Groups with unlimited resources and power, or the savage actions of a Crack Addicted Black Male who's life has been nothing but one crime after another. It's called 'FEAR' and it's a great way to keep people from lifting their heads out of the sand and seeing who is really to blame. Religions have used it for hundreds of years, and so have Governments, Cults, Con Men, and Media. Don't buy into it. Most if not all of it is B.S.



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 09:04 AM
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The stability of society, plain and simple.

The Romans and Greeks, who both openly tolerated and practiced homosexuality with no moral qualms, yet they did not allow gays to marry. Gays were lovers, gays often could have inheritance rights to thier lovers estate.

The whole idea of gay marriage is stupid, period. They have civil unions. Civil union is as far as it should be allowed to go. Why? Because marriage is between a man and a woman. A woman becomes a wife, a man becomes a husband. A womans becomes a Mrs. ect. This isnt rocket science.

While i can see the push for civil unions, I am against the marrigae itself. Gay couples are not the same as straight couples. While love and companionship might be between both, the very nature of the persons involved makes those two relationships.

With the divorce rate in this country as bad as it is, why do we want to add salt to our wounds and increase it? Studies have shown that gay relationships are less stable than hetero relations. The only brackets in which gay reltionships are more stable is usually those gays who are very old. Most young gays go through reltions alot more than heterosexuals.

Anyway, this whole marriage issue is an attempt by gays to press thier lifestyle on everyone else, and "normalize" themselves. They follow a lifestyle that, while not "immoral" or "sick" it is a lifestyle that is alternative. Marriage is for straights only, in every society, it always has been. Gays can have thier civil unions. For gays to want marriage is like a woman wanting a penis enlargement. its simply not what is intended.

And besides, all this crap about inheritance and life insurance and stuff is bogus. For one, when you die, you can leave your estate to whoever the hell you want. People leave thier fortunes to thier pets for gods sake. And, in cases where a person is sick or dying, even boyfriends or close friends are allowed by the bedside, not just relatives. Bout the only thing they cant do is file jointly on thier tax returns or get medical insurance. If the govornment would allow the civil union to be legal, then it would apply to benefits and taxes.

So, civil unions, yes. Marriage? HELL NO. Quit all the pissy whining, for gods sake. Leave the problems of marriage to the hetero population.



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 09:04 AM
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thanks for you intelligent counter arguments, byrd, jezebel and gazrok I have NO problems with views that oppose mine.

again though, I still believe this all sides of this issue has not fully been considered.

but also consider this:
If you legalize same sex marriage, think of all the other cans of worms that will be opened. By changing the definition of marriage, you open the doors to others, like polygamist who will cry discrimination for not allowing more than 2 parties being allowed to join a union.

and yes, fake marriages for immigration purposes already do occur, but just think of how many cases will occur when any 2 people can go about doing it. Currently the rate being offered for someone willing to marry someone else for legal status is between $10,000 and $20,000. Consider if you could marry your same sex relative or friend without having to involve a third party and paying those fees, how many more people would be doing it. How many more people will go into the business of it, yes our govt is supposed to do background screening on potential immigrants, but I can assure the system is full of flaws and allows many undesirables with records to enter this country without even a glance.

and like I said before, if there is absolutely no negatives except, some one religious beliefs being addressed, then same sex marriage should be legal.



posted on Feb, 27 2004 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
As you stated, this has only become legal in Canada for about a year now. The immigration issue hasn't been brought up yet, because takes about 2 years at least for the process. I am not saying that as soon as we legalize Same Sex Marriage, the immigrants and potential terrorists will be at our doors....this is about the future, it takes more than a year to see the negatives of issue that so many consider positive. It is too early to see the full effect of same sex marriages in Canada.

look, if this is only about morals, and there is absolutely no negatives other than some religious ideals being shattered for some, then gay marriages should be allowed.

but I still firmly believe that there are other issues that will arise from allowing same sex marriages that are not being considered.


I guess what I don't understand is why you believe terrorists will choose to present themselves as homosexual couples? Why would they subject themselves to all of the scrutiny that comes from using marriage to become a resident? It is much easier to come here with a student or work visa then it would ever be to come here under the guise of marriage, straight or gay. I don't see how it would be to their advantage. If it is so that they could be permanent citizens, they have to go through a thorough background check and even if they cleared that they would have 2 years of being observed. Also, if they wanted to blend in with the majority of other marriages for citizenship, applying for a hetero marriage would be much more inconspicuous than applying for a gay marriage. Anyone seeing a SSM application coming thru for processing is automatically going to take notice, because no matter how much gay marriage immigrations increase, they will NEVER amount to more than a small percentage of the overall marriage immigrations that are processed every year.

I respect the fact that you are trying to see potential issues that may arise in the future, but I think that you may be somewhat off base on this issue. Criminals can get married in jail, even on death row, and terrorists have predominately been here as workers or students. The assertion that gay marriage will result in a massive increase in the fake immigration of dangerous people seems like a tool put out there by anti-gay marriage protestors to confuse the issue.



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