The U.S was prepared for 9/11

Ivan is being very dishonest here.

he is taking countless exercises and drills, etc that are completely unrelated and trying to pretend they are one big one that encompasses everything that happened that day. But that simply isn't true. None of the exercises or training or drills or anything encompassed the events that happened on 9/11. He cannot name a single one that mimiced the exact events of that day. One might involve a hijacking, another might involve a plane crash, another might involve NORAD, another might involve medical treatment, another might involve evacuation, etc, etc. What Ivan is trying to do is make them seem like they are all connected and by the same groups and in the same areas, etc etc. That is completely untrue.

reply to post by snoopy

None of the exercises or training or drills or anything encompassed the events that happened on 9/11. He cannot name a single one that mimiced the exact events of that day.

He doesn't have to. The strategy is called "compartmentalization" and it is probably the best weapon in the clandestine arts.

Originally posted by jackinthebox


He doesn't have to. The strategy is called "compartmentalization" and it is probably the best weapon in the clandestine arts.

Is that a joke? It has to be a joke.

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The whole country exercises all the time; Gee, we have been prepared since 1776. If the OP was some kind of smoking gun, then you could use the same great research done by the OP author to predict the next act since. What is the next act to be seen from this type of research smoking gun analysis?

I wonder why the Pentagon exercised for an aircraft ACCIDENT, they are only right in the patter of KDCA? Why would they expect an ACCIDENT? Oh, a lot of accidents happen at the airport and the Pentagon is right next to an airport. It would be foolish not to be prepared for an aircraft accident.

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Is that a joke? It has to be a joke.

Is that yet another example of someone talking when they have nothing useful to say? If you do not know anything about clandestine operations, then obviously you will have some difficulty talking about this subject matter.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by snoopy

 

Is that a joke? It has to be a joke.

Is that yet another example of someone talking when they have nothing useful to say? If you do not know anything about clandestine operations, then obviously you will have some difficulty talking about this subject matter.

Please stop pretending that you have any understanding of what you are talking about. If you did you wouldn't be making absolutely absurd claims like unrelated drills by unrelated departments covering unrelated issues is part of a big single plot.

Or perhaps you can offer some shred of evidence of your claim that this is some big clandestine plot being run by some people who are obviously complete idiots and have no idea what they are doing.

Go ahead kid, impress us.

reply to post by snoopy

Go ahead kid, impress us.

You bore me already. Ivan has already made his claim and provided the evidence. Can you refute that evidence or not?

Ivan has not provided any evidence what so ever. If you aren't bright enough to see through those kind of tricks, then that's your problem. But try taking those arguments to a court of law and see how fast you get thrown out. There is a reason why these kinds of low tactics are not taken seriously by real experts or any legitimate media outlets.

And the fact remains there were no exercises at all that encompassed the events that occurred on 9/11. If there is, then please name the exercise that covered the event. And not a bunch of unrelated ones by unrelated organizations in unrelated departments in unrelated areas, in unrelated environments and circumstances.

reply to post by snoopy

And the fact remains there were no exercises at all that encompassed the events that occurred on 9/11. If there is, then please name the exercise that covered the event.

This has already been explained to you, but has obviously flown right over your head.

There didn't need to be one all-encompassing exercise. Do you understand what compartmentalization means?

Snoopy is a terrorist and aides them aswell.

His methods are weak. His type should be ignored.

There goal is to ruin threads and say things like " duh...no" or " thats silly" call every one kids or troothers....


There is undeniable proof that not only was the U.S prepared for 9/11, they planned for it.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by snoopy

 

And the fact remains there were no exercises at all that encompassed the events that occurred on 9/11. If there is, then please name the exercise that covered the event.

This has already been explained to you, but has obviously flown right over your head.

There didn't need to be one all-encompassing exercise. Do you understand what compartmentalization means?

Yes he HAS explained them to me. And no they aren't over my head. The reason why they aren't a valid argument has gone over your head. Ivan is simply being dishonest and not truthful.

I ask again, please name an exercise that encompassed the events of 9/11. It's not very hard, yet you two don't seem to be able to do so. You made the claim, not name the exercise. Surely you aren't frauds right?

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I ask again, please name an exercise that encompassed the events of 9/11.

What good would that do? No one has claimed that there was one single overall exercise. The only thing that is being discussed is that there were preperations made for 9/11 beforehand. When Condy Rice said that they never could have imagined such an attack, she is flat out lieing, which has already been proven time and time again.

EDIT to add:

Ivan is simply being dishonest and not truthful.

Prove it. If you cannot, then you have made clear your agenda.



[edit on 4/6/0808 by jackinthebox]

Originally posted by IvanZana
Snoopy is a terrorist and aides them aswell.

His methods are weak. His type should be ignored.

There goal is to ruin threads and say things like " duh...no" or " thats silly" call every one kids or troothers....


There is undeniable proof that not only was the U.S prepared for 9/11, they planned for it.

Wow. Calling a person who disagrees with your inane reasoning a terrorist. Wow.

The information you have provided proves nothing. I put a seat belt on each time I get in my vehicle. That doesn't mean I have plans to crash. It's these sorts of illogical leaps that make your sort apparent as frauds. As long as your little friends on ATS think you're cool then you feel justified. The reality is that nothing you can produce holds any water when examined closely and you're never going to bring any sort of enlightenment about simply because you're grasping at straws.

Originally posted by jackinthebox


What good would that do? No one has claimed that there was one single overall exercise. The only thing that is being discussed is that there were preperations made for 9/11 beforehand. When Condy Rice said that they never could have imagined such an attack, she is flat out lieing, which has already been proven time and time again.

EDIT to add:

Ivan is simply being dishonest and not truthful.

Prove it. If you cannot, then you have made clear your agenda.



[edit on 4/6/0808 by jackinthebox]

I have proven Ivan has been dishonest because none of you can back this claim that there were exercises the encompassed the events of 9/11. All you have done is taken unrelated ones by different groups in different departments in different places at different times. None of them having anything to do with each other or being connected in any way. You are trying to present them as a single entity which is untrue.


And you two want to sit here and talk about agenda? I think trying to defraud a legitimate forum such as this one is quite an agenda. it's one thing for people to simply be mistaken, but it's these kind of deceptive tactics meant to mislead people that are wrong. And that's clearly your agenda. you two have no interest in truth, you two just want to trick people. Why not give them the correct information and let people make up their own minds instead of trying to trick them?

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you two have no interest in truth, you two just want to trick people.

And what motivation would I have to "trick" people?

Why not give them the correct information and let people make up their own minds instead of trying to trick them?

Okay, show me some information then. Let us judge for ourselves.

Originally posted by snoopy

Originally posted by jackinthebox
He doesn't have to. The strategy is called "compartmentalization" and it is probably the best weapon in the clandestine arts.

Is that a joke? It has to be a joke.

Oh yeah, compartmentalization is definitely a joke. And so is "need to know." Ever heard anyone mention that? It's HILARIOUS.

Here in the real world, any time any kind of professional covert operation takes place (which we all know is NEVER! HA HA), they tell everybody they can about it, even if it doesn't even concern them!

And whenever something is supposed to be used as a distraction for a covert op, obviously they're going to try to make the distraction look like it's a distraction. Otherwise, how could anyone be able to tell that it's really a distraction? Ooh, I bet Snoopy never thought of that one.

That's actually how I was finally able to accept the "official story": everything pointing towards an inside job was subtle, whereas if 9/11 was really an inside job, everything would be completely obvious from the start! Everyone would know, duh! Or else no one would even try to pull it off.


Oh yeah, I forgot another reason 9/11 couldn't have been an inside job: the FBI and CIA never told me about it. Oh yeah! And it wasn't on the news! Man, suddenly the light is just pouring down on me! Man, why didn't anyone explain all this to me earlier?

So please explain how exercises by different groups at different times in different places, covering different issues, none of which resemble the events of 9/11 somehow backs up your claim.


Please show us. Please show me how this is anything more than far fetched conjecture. How does this prepare them for anything? How does people training for bio warfare scenario on the 12th prepare everyone for the 9/11 attack? How does an office drill preparing for a small plane running out of fuel and hitting a building prepare the US for the 9/11 attack? How doe an exercise looking for russian bombers over Alaska prepare everyone for 9/11? How does escorting a hijacked plane to cuba prepare for the events of 9/11?

And if these groups are not even coordinated and sharing information, how does it prepare them? If the drills were all called off, how does that help them?

I can't believe I'm biting again into one of these threads!

On 9/11 what exercises were being conducted by any branch of the U.S. armed services?

That is a simple question for both sides; you Truther's and you Debunker's.

I will decide for myself if it means anything. Like; were we more vulnerable that day then any other day? If so, how rare or common is that? How rare or common are these exercises? How rare or common are they conducted at the same time?

From where I stand right now, I feel the burden is on the Truther's...but of course WTC 7 is the Debunker's cryptonite. (don't address the WTC 7 here, I'm just pointing out that I am in neither one of your camp's.)

What do you have? What military exercises were being conducted on 9/11?

Originally posted by Res Ipsa
On 9/11 what exercises were being conducted by any branch of the U.S. armed services?

I will answer this question on the condition that "U.S. armed services" is replaced with "any agency that needed to be confused or otherwise conditioned for the attacks to take place."


We can start with FEMA.

Someone had FEMA scheduled to be in Building 7 (WTC7) on September 10th, for a bio-terror training drill they were calling "TRIPOD II" (the drill, of course, never actually took place). Rudy Giuliani himself testified before the 9/11 Commission that FEMA, as well as officials from New York's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) were there on September 10th setting up a command station inside of WTC7.

The next day, that same command station was used to launch operations after the towers were hit by planes. The FDNY was commanded from there.


There were several exercises going on in the air, that involved NORAD and thereby the U.S. Air Force. The website 911research.wtc7.net lists these war games and gives sources (if you click the link):

Operation Northern Vigilance

Conducted from September 9-11, this exercise redeployed jets that normally patrolled the northeast sector to northern Canada and Alaska. It echoed a Russian exercise scheduled from September 10-14 in which long-range bombers were dispatched to their northern territory. 1
The Vigilant Warrior and Vigilant Guardian Training Exercises

These were apparently a pair of war games (attacker versus defender) which involved live-fly simulations of hijackings. Both this pair of exercises and Northern Vigilance probably involved the use of "injects" into screens to simulate aircraft. These games apparently resembled the actual attack sufficiently to confuse military officers, as suggested by the following transcript.
FAA Boston Center contacts NEADS, saying, "We need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there, help us out."

“Is this real world or an exercise?” asked the military liaison officer?

"No, this is not an exercise," responded the FAA official. "Not a test." 2

The only known source for the exercise named Vigilant Warrior is Richard Clarke's book, Against All Enemies. 3 It is possible that the exercise referred to by Clarke was actually Amalgam Warrior, a NORAD field training exercise involving life-fly air interception, held twice yearly, in the spring on the East Coast and the fall on the East Coast. 4
The Global Guardian Exercise

On the morning of the attack, a large-scale military training exercise called Global Guardian was "in full swing." Global Guardian is an annual exercise involving Stratcom (the US Strategic Command), the US Space Command, and NORAD. 5

There is evidence that the date of the 2001 Global Guardian exercise was changed to correspond with the the terrorist attack. NBC News military analyst William Arkin, in his book Code Names, gives the date of the exercise as October 22-31, 2001. 6 Also, a military newspaper, the Space Observer, reported in an article dated 3/23/01 that the exercise was scheduled for October of that year.

Stratcon directed the exercise, which included all the US strategic forces, from Offutt Air Force Base. 7

The last one I will mention (because there are more! but I would have to spend more time digging for this information; I will post it later if you want!), a National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) exercise mocking the scenario of a plane being flown into the HQ building.

If you don't know what the NRO is:

The NRO designs, builds and operates the nation's reconnaissance satellites. NRO products, provided to an expanding list of customers like the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Department of Defense (DoD), can warn of potential trouble spots around the world, help plan military operations, and monitor the environment.

www.nro.gov...

Can our military satellites track hijacked air planes? Would it make a difference?

After the Pentagon was actually hit, only a few miles away (and just before the drill was scheduled to take place), most NRO employees were immediately sent home for the rest of the day.


Like I said, I can post more, but those are pretty much the meat and potatoes, and should illustrate how the events could easily have been coordinated to work together to make 9/11 happen without major flaws.

Silly debunkers cant read or research.

SHows their agenda to be transperant and pathetic.

Here is MORE FACTS / PROOF

An exercise, called Tripod, was scheduled to take place in New York on September 12, 2001. It was intended to test how well the OEM could administer treatment in the event of a biological-terrorism attack. More than 1,000 Fire Department trainees and Police Academy cadets were hired.
www.newyorkmetro.com...
www.9-11commission.gov...
Due to the 9/11 attacks, Tripod was called off. However the drill helped the city respond to the real 9/11 attacks.
web.archive.org...://www.nysun.com/sunarticle.asp?artID=418
www.9-11commission.gov...
Mayor Giuliani used Pier 92, where it was to have taken place, as a command center to coordinate the real 9/11 emergency response.
Rudi Giuliani:
“The equipment was already there so we were able to establish a command center there within three days that was two-and-a-half to three times bigger than the command center that we had lost at 7 World Trade Center.”
www.9-11commission.gov...
Thanks to these drills many emergency response personnel were in New York City in time for the attacks and FEMA showed up with a considerable amount of equipment not long after the towers fell.
(Dennis Smith: Report From Ground Zero, p. 126)


And the CIA needed practise, too.
On the morning of September 11th
“The CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building.”
(National Law Enforcement Security Institute, 8/02)
“The agency is about four miles (6.4 kilometres) from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport. (...)
American Airlines Flight 77 (…) took off from Dulles (...) 50 minutes before the exercise was to begin.”
www.sfgate.com.../news/archive/2002/08/21/national1518EDT0686.DTL

And the Air defense practised, too.

Vigilant Guardian, one of NORAD’s four major annual exercises. The week-long exercise was also taking place on 9/11.
www.newhousenews.com...
www.codeonemagazine.com...
www.globalsecurity.org...
All of NORAD was participating in Vigilant Guardian. Senior officers involved with the exercise were manning NORAD command centers throughout the US and Canada that morning.
web.archive.org...:/www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20020603/avi_stor.htm
“NEADS (NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector) was fully staffed, its key officers and enlisted supervisors already manning the operations center ‘battle cab’.”
web.archive.org...:/www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20020603/avi_stor.htm
Vigilant Guardian is described as “an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide”; as a “simulated air war”; and as “an air defense exercise simulating an attack on the United States.”
www.newhousenews.com...
(CR, 458)
At NEADS headquarters in Rome, New York, most of the dozen or so staff on the operations floor the morning of 9/11 had no idea what the exercise that day was going to entail and were ready for anything.
www.uticaod.com...
"Everybody" at NORAD initially thought the real hijackings were part of the exercise.
web.archive.org...:/www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20020603/avi_stor.htm

[edit on 6-4-2008 by IvanZana]