Originally posted by TheScientist
We have all heard McCain’s interest in war and the fact that he said we would be in Iraq for 100 years. McCain reminds me of Bush, and it just so
happens that Bush's backing him for the elections.
Sorry if it's considered bad form to insert paragraph breaks when replying, but you hit a lot of points, and I find it easier to keep track of things
Let me preface anything I say about McCain with a disclaimer. My favorite candidate so far is "None of the above". I don't support McCain, Clinton,
Did McCain actually say that we'd be in Iraq for a hundred years? I've heard him say "decades", and "several years", but I haven't heard him
say "100 years"...and if he did say it, was it his actual estimate, or was it a flight of hyperbole, along the lines of "I have a million things to
do!" ?. I bring up the point simply because anybody who's studied history to any degree can predict that we'll be in Iraq for a long time. Look at
Germany, Japan, and Korea for examples. Speaking the truth doesn't mean that Senator McCain likes war, or has an appetite for it...given his
experience, I'd suspect the opposite to be the case...it simply means that he's looked at history.
As for being backed by Bush, that could easily be party loyalty on Bush's part, rather than any real friendship between McCain and Bush. If I wanted
to be really cynical, I could even speculate that Bush's backing of McCain was an active attempt to sabotage McCain's bid for the White House, given
President Bush's poll numbers.
Remember how Bush got presidency? By cheating the voting system, using the loopholes through his father and brother and creating confusion in Florida
to tilt the feed in his favor, Bush managed to claim the House.
If you're looking for a 'white hat' in the Bush / Gore elections, you won't find one. Both candidates were pulling every legal and quasi-legal
trick they could think of to dig up winning votes. Remember the Gore campaign's arguments about what constituted a 'correctly marked' ballot?
Remember the dust-up about absentee vote counting? That's one reason that I hope this election (regardless of who wins) is decisive enough to avoid
I have a bad feeling about McCain. He is like Bush, but far worse with an appetite for war. It is all an illusion to the American people. Republican
against republican, democrat against democrat, they are both two sides of the same coin.
That, I'll give you. Both parties want to spend my tax dollars on things that (in my opinion) are none of the government's business. The only
difference (other than party logos) is *what* they want to spend it on.
Bush wants McCann for president, congress wants him, and the underlying corporate development of devouring resources wants him.
You make three assertions here. One is that a Republican president wants a Republican to follow him in office. This is a surprise?
The second is that Congress wants McCain to be President. Really? I seem to have missed Speaker Pelosi's ringing endorsement of McCain. I'd imagine
that most of Congress is (rather like most of the American people) undecided at the moment, with the Democrats split between Clinton and Obama, and
the Republicans looking at McCain and going "Holy bleep, how did this happen?!". He's not well liked among the Republican party.
The third assertion, I can't make heads or tails of. "The underlying corporate development of devouring resources wants him" ? Exactly who or what
is the UCDDR? If you're pointing the figurative finger at business in general, I don't think there's a particularly pro-business candidate on the
slate this time around....they all support the Kyoto Accords, they all want to re-work NAFTA, and they all oppose expanded domestic oil
drilling...businesses must be falling all over themselves to climb onto those band wagons.
So, do you think that we have a choice? I think not, as America is a corporation trying to govern the world and dominate every country trying to move
at it's own pace. Sept 11. was the catalyst for deception of the American people. Fear immobilizes, knowledge empowers.
Ahh....now I get it. This isn't about Senator McCain, this is about your dislike of American policy. I'm not sure how you determine that America is
a corporation. Who are the stockholders? Who are the board of directors? What does this corporation produce? Where does it market its products?
There's a difference between being influenced by corporate interests (an unavoidable consequence of said interests having large amounts of cash) and
being a corporation.
As for America trying to dominate the world, I'd like to borrow your rose-colored glasses so I can see this vast and shining American Empire. The
closest we came to 'dominating the world' was in late 1945, when we actually *did* dominate the world. Our armies, navies, and air forces were on
every continent except Antarctica, and were more powerful than any possible opposition, even before you take into account our monopoly on nuclear
weapons. So, what did the brutal, oppressive Americans do with the world once they'd conquered it? They handed it back over to its original owners,
went home, and called it a day.