You're really going to make me go word for word on this one aren't you...
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Originally posted by IAF101
What is ridiculous is your assertion that we have lost Iraq. The only thing that is lost is the American media and the gullible souls who buy that
It seems you buy hook line and sinker what Faux News says.
The "media" is what you read when you hear about stories.
How do you think you get stories in the first place?
The pony express?
Iraq is nowhere near done and McCain will tell you that. That is primarily because Bush who didnt know a thing about leadership and strategy relied on
idiots like Rumsfeld to get Iraq on track.
Yeah Iraq's oil fields aren't quite drained yet. We still have a few million barrels to extract for Shell and Texaco.
They need to line their pockets with as much green as possible before the black gold runs out and Iraq really turns to #.
Iraq is nowhere near done because the mercenary companies (Halliburton, Blackwater, etc) haven't made nearly enough money off the US taxpayer.
They haven't raped our assholes hard enough yet.
But just you wait. They will.
We are in Iraq and have lost ONLY 4000 troops. That is a small small number for any conflict of that size and intensity in the history of warfare. We
are not playing bingo there, it is war, some casualties are expected. And quiting now is idiotic. Not only would those 4000 soldiers have died in vain
( the liberal wet dream! ) but also the ME will turn into the sewer that it once was. We are there now and we are fighting these Islamists in their
neighborhoods and in their streets. We have the offensive. To pack up and leave is moronic. Who ever said the war is lost, doesnt know what a conflict
is. Its not ping pong or some b-ball game that is going to get done in a few hours. The actions and the resolve of the US forces there will change the
future of the ME forever and by that the fate of the world itself. EVen the Iraqi's realize that we need to be there.
The war casualty number of 4000 is based on the soldiers who died in active duty while in Iraq.
That number doesn't take into account soldiers who have died in hospitals just over the border or those who died in US hospitals.
We've lost much more than 4000 and we've had thousands who are now psychologically unfit for anything other than raping their wives.
Thousands more are wounded physically. Many more have abandoned their posts.
Some military we have.
We've been decimated by guerilla warriors. You can't fight conventional warfare when there are no clear sides.
Its like we're the red coats in the revolutionary war fighting the US 'insurgents' or 'terrorists.'
We will simply NEVER win.
The Iraqis are fighting an occupation force. We are the occupiers. We have been for 5 long years now.
If a foreign army invaded your neighborhood, would you sit by and watch them bomb your family's home?
I think not.
I think you are confused with the definition of liberal. Liberal means open-minded.
Clearly you are not.
So you can call yourself a conservative all you want. That's fine with me.
But I am no liberal politically. I believe in freedom, but not at the cost of other's lives.
I am a libertarian at heart. All men are created equal, that sort of thing.
I don't know where you've been for the past...oh say...75 years. The Middle East has been in a constant state of warfare since WW1.
The Turkish Empire had somewhat of a hold on the region, but with them defeated, no real power structure was able to take control.
With Western Imperialism taking over where the Turks left off, well you can imagine what happens then...
Oil is discovered in Saudi Arabia, the state of Israel is created, etc etc.
I think your idea of the 'Iraqi's needing us there' is highly misguided.
Sure, corporate interests are making a killing off...the killing, but aside from that, no one really benefits.
The American taxpayer has 2 assholes now instead of 1. We're paying for soldiers to shoot up towns. The military-industrial complex is having a field
day with our economy.
We are simply not 'winning' anything. We lost.
"Cut and run" or whatever you call it.
Enough bloodshed is on our hands. The soldiers want to come home too.
You know what, if you're so pro-Iraq war, why don't you sign up?
Yeah. Go over there and fight.
Do it. I dare you.
Or are you too scared?
Dont even think of saying Afghanistan was a waste because unless someone is a yellow bellied whimp who was abused by girls as a kid, everybody with
any stones and a sense of justice automatically knows that the Taliban had to be buried. The Afghani people are better off for it and so is the world
at large. The lack of charm and tact by Bush in rallying support and handling the war on terror diplomatically is a differnet issue but the fact that
there is a war on terror is indisputably the right thing to do.
Yeah I think Afghanistan is a waste.
The CIA has rejuvenated their poppy production. They've made millions off heroin and opium that they wouldn't have had the Taliban still been in
The Afghani people may be better off without them, but turns out they're back.
So much for the invasion.
The war on terror is another scam to think your enemy is 'over there' and not within.
Al Qaeda was connected to 9/11. What you don't hear is that the CIA trained Bin Laden and helped the Taliban fight the soviets.
So...We train both groups, yet now we want them dead?
Kinda fishy ain't it?
Bin Laden was on the CIA payroll prior to 9/11.
Somehow he's not even on the FBI's Most Wanted list. Another fishy item.
Shall I continue or is the truth too hard for you to admit?
Obama and Clinton want to run as fast as it is possible for them to load up the C-17s and fly out of there. Obama doesnt understand the military or
the military startegy that is involved in Iraq. He has no comprehension of the stakes of the region or the people of that region. Dispite being an
ex-muslim he has no idea what Arabs are like . His ignorant pacifism will make him be taken in as a sucker and the Islamists wil use his brazen
cowardice for conflict to trumpet to the world that they have won. With McCain however that is simply not the case. HE knows that Bush's plan has a
problem, he knows how to deal with the military and most importantly he has credibility with the military both as a distinguished ex-member and as its
Hey I'm no fan of either one of them. You're preaching to the choir here.
I think the only one misunderstanding our strategy in Iraq is you my friend.
We are there for PROFIT. Not for the safety and security of Iraqis.
But for corporate PROFIT. The god of our politicians, Hillary and Barack included.
McCain has no credibility whatsoever.
The man is a religious zealot (devil worshipper?) who feeds off the pain and misery of others.
Sure he might have be ex-military, but that doesn't mean squat. He's still a coward.
He has no problem sending other people to war, but doesn't have the balls to go on his own.
If he wants to kill Iraqis, terrorists, insurgents, or whatever your definition of the 'bad guy' is, why doesn't he strap on a flak vest and jump
off a hercules?
Cuz he's a coward politician like the rest of them.
All talk and no walk.
American never have and never will like losers and these losers will not come to power just to betray the effort of so many thousands of soldiers.
You sound like a five year old dude.
Who cares if we're not the only super power anymore.
Get over yourself.
The efforts of thousands of soldiers have been in vain.
That's too bad.
Maybe next time we shouldn't invade a sovereign nation with no regard for consequences.
It was a stupid move, we messed up real bad.
Let's bring our boys home now.
[edit on 2/24/2008 by biggie smalls]