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Can't America be the 'Beast'?

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posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 05:33 PM
Why do American Christians believe their "land of the free" will fall before the might of the "beast" in the end times? Why do they lable a foreign powers such as Russia or the European Union as this "beast", just like other American Christians, nearly half a century earlier, labled Nazi Germany and the former U.S.S.R? Why do they insist Vladimir Putin is the anti-christ? What prophecies or facts do they possess to back up these accusations?

Isn't it possible that America herself is "the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt"? (REV 11:8) Is it possible - no, logical - to assume that the anti-christ would arise out of the world's sole remaining superpower?


-The United States vapourised 100,000 civilians in Hiroshima and 50,000 Nagasaki. The Japanese, at least, attacked Pearl Harbour, a military target;

-The United States funds dictators and terrorists alike and provides arms to rogue governments and guerillas;

-The Seal of the United States boasts 13 stars, 13 arrows, and 13 olive leafs - as you no doubt are aware, Christ and His 12 desciples add up to thirteen and Judas Iscariot is often acknowledged as the unlucky thirteenth. Freemasons hold 13 as especially lucky, though I can't guess as to why...;

-The United States, right now, is clamping down on the privacy and freedoms of the American people in the name of security. Fear is used by the government to take power from the people;

-The United States is an empire, and she controls a vast number of vassle-states, whether her citizens acnowledge this or not. She has bases in many countries around the globe - and not one of those countries wants her there;

-The people of the U.S. are relatively clueless about how the rest of the world views their country. Nor do they much care;

-The President of the United States is pursuing an unpoular war, spending hundreds of millions of dollers to convince the American people that war is necessary to safe-guard America - when it is quite obvious to the rest of the world that the "War on Terror" is nothing more than a "War for Oil";

-Ridiculous evidence - such as a terrorist's passport surviving the heat of ignited jet fuel, found on the street in New York - and the arabic flight manual found in that car at the airport (as if...) - suggest that 911 is probably not quite as it initially appears;

Maybe America isn't as Godly and righteous as American Christians think. In fact, it might be a beast that is ravaging the world right now.

"Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. Neither has Sa-ma'-ri-a committed half of thy sins; but thou hast multiplied thine abominations more than they, and hast justified thy sisters in all thine abominations which thou hast done." EZEKIEL 16:49-51


posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 05:51 PM
America is the headquarters of the UN, so we are part of the beast.

But let me explain what the beast is, it is not just one country or one government. The beast
represents all those who are working for one in the same plan aginast god which would include
all governments and all countries in the world.

The beast has seven heads and ten horns.

the seven heads is where the women sits, and the ten horns are the ten nations
that will form into a one world government under antichrist.

But yea, the USA is very evil and is part of the beast, but it is not soley the beast.

babylon is probably rome as the bible indicates babylon spilling the blood of the prophets and so forth.

The usa has not spilled the blood of the prophets, rome is theonly country that has exicuted more christians during the roman
empire days than any other.


posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 05:56 PM
On the other hand, Christ said:

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only." MATT 24:36

So I suppose conjecture on this subject will be fruitless, in any event.


posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 06:10 PM
That qoute is talking soley about trying to pedict the exact
end and what day it is.

It does not mean you cant talk about who the beast is which has nothing o do with the very
last day and hour.


posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 10:40 PM

That quote should also indicate that you won't/can't even know if you are even living in the end time's. Since that brings you too close to a precise date... So either's all conjecture and pointless... It's your interpretation and not god's. You are not god, nor can you speak for if he even exists

posted on Dec, 14 2002 @ 11:11 PM
The US and UN are the Beast?

I don't think anyone has really STOPPED to think what this implies.

If the US and the UN are the "bad guys/apostates" then it means that countries NOT in the UN (and non-US countries) are the "good guys" who if left alone would not bring about destruction and terror.

There are exactly TWO nations that are NOT members of the UN. All other nations are members.

The two non-members are:

.....drumroll...... (oh yes, I'm enjoying this too much)


Vatican City and Taiwan.

There ya have it, folks. The Evil Beast of the UN and US consists of 191 countries. The only two holdouts who couldn't be part of the Evil Beast are the Vatican and Tawian (denied entry because China claims it's a territory.)

Food for thought, eh?

posted on Dec, 15 2002 @ 12:16 AM
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:17:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: jack velte
Subject: Two Knifes

Emergence of the 5th World


Contract of WAR
Hopi Nation Vs. United States of America
9/9/99 (thur.)

WAR Declaration -
De'neh Peoples Vs. All Nations -

WAR - Aliens Vs. All Nations - 01/01/2020


my name is Two Knifes.

my father was German,
black Amerikkkan.
my mother was austrian,

black on white is red.

if you call me the anti-christ,
i say Hitler was the anti-christ.
if you call me christ,
i say Christ died at Atlantis.

change is never too late.

i'd rather not die, but i can.
at the press conference.

or we can cut Chief Dan's head off
and store it cryonogenically.

stranger in a strange land.

the flower and the sun behind us -
industrial genocide and atom bombs.

the ancient ones:
titanic hitting mars.

now we totter on the edge of fate.

only love is left.

The third and last,
which will it bring forth,
purification or destruction?

He will come unmercifully.
His people will cover the Earth like red ants.

Outside to watch.

The Purifier,
commanded by the Red Symbol,
with the help of the Sun.

The wicked speak no more.

This will be the Purification for all righteous people,
the Earth, and all living things on Earth.

The ills of the earth will be cured.
Mother Earth will bloom again
and all people will unite into peace and harmony
for a long time to come.

If the Hopi nation vanishes,
the motion of the Earth will become eccentric,
the water will swallow the land,
and the people will perish.

Only a brother and a sister MAY be left
to start a new life...

It is in the rock writings throughout the world.

If three agree it will be worth manyfold.

- pahana

Today, the thought criminals are t
he Branch Davidians or the Montana Freemen.

In the Seventies,
members of different liberation movements
were called "commies," "pinkos," "kooks," "criminals"
and the "fringe element."

After all,
what freedom really means
is that you are free to be responsible.

- Chief



Contract of WAR
Hopi Nation Vs. United States of America
9/9/99 (thur.)


Strong spiritually,
and to always remember that the movement is greater
than the accomplishments or Faults of its leaders.

Inherent in the spiritual heart knowing that
the work goes on because the need goes on.

People live on Mother Earth with the clear
understanding that no one will assure the coming
generations except ourselves.

No one from the outside will do this for us.

No person among us can do it for us.

Self-determination must be the goal of all work.

the first and only defense of the members.


(Concessions reduce hostilities.)

0) All Nations need TlD's.

1) all actions & statistics multicast multiple T3
with unrestricted access http. you must pay for
our hardware and connectivity.

2) Restitution.

a) Advertising Campaign fund. ($5M.)

b) Relief for Native Nations for treaty rights

c) Restoration of 110 million acres of land
taken away from Native Nations by the
United States of America. [171875.71 mi].

3) Treaty resolution.

a) Negotiate & Ratify treaties.

b) Restoration of terminated rights.

4) Separate Nations.

a) Indian Self Government.

b) Repeal of local, state, US federal
jurisdiction on Native Nations.
we demand honesty.

c) Commerce Regulation. Native Nations immune
to taxes, trade restrictions of states.
(same rights as a state of the United
States of America.)

d) Movement. unrestrictive freedom of
movement in United States of America lands.
reduce lethality of your weapons.

e) Crime & Punishment
release of Leonard Pletier.
release of all prisoners to us.
Rename the
Wa#a Battlefield National Historic Site to
The Wa#a National Historic Site of Genocide.
Prisoner peoples web sites.
we Demand disarmament.
we Demand 100% nuclear disarmament.
we demand geophysical realignment of all Nations.
reduce lethality of your weapons.
we will use .22 shorts.

14 yr old Native female
armed officers would be a good act of faith.
all police forces relocated into your schools.
prisoners guilty until found innocent -
court 100% duty to find innocence.
defendant selects jury.

f) Native Culture

repatriation of all religious, burial,
cultural artifacts. Native People emblems
as slogans an act of War.

g) One World.


0) Separate Nations until every Native
Peoples Nation allied. UN moderated.

1) gentle lethal resistance: prayer, aliens.
(many mental illnesses and violence is
caused by the aliens.) lethality of
weapons is proportional to response.

2) individuals, groups, and nations please
surrender. Surrender terms web site.
Conceeded peoples unrestrictive travel on
Indian Lands.

of this date Conceeded peoples:
peoples of Cyber-Yugoslavia.
peoples of the De'neh Nations.
peoples who hold racist beliefs.
territory of Australia.
territory of China.
territory of Iraq.
territory of Kosavo.
territory of Libya.
territory of North Korea.
territory of Poland.

3) individuals, groups, or nations encouraged
to ally. web. of this date allies:

The Good Aliens. (Bad Aliens:
A Canton in Switzerland.
Adam Sandler.
Afrika Bambaataa.
Alanis Morissette.
Brooke Shields.
Bruce Willis.
Busta Rhymes.
Chris Rock.
Christina Applegate.
Clint Eastwood. *
David Bowie. (1)
David Letterman. *
Denise Richards.
Dennis Miller. *
Grand Master Flash.
Hilary Selton, NAACP, DC.
Howard Stern. *
Janet Jackson.
Jennifer Lopez.
Jermaine Depri.
Jesse Jackson. **
Jimmy Carter. **
Jody Foster.
Carl Sagen. ?
Kid Rock.
Kool Herc.
Kurt L. Schmoke. *
LL Cool J.
Lauryn Hill.
Lichtenstein. *
Martha Stewart.
Master P.
Method Man.
Mike Tyson.
Monica Lewinsky
Nate Dogg.
Pamala Anderson Lee.
Prime Minister Tony Blair.
Puffy 'Daddy' Combs.
Snoop Dogg.
Will Smith.
Willie Nelson.
peoples of the Blair Witch Project.
peoples touched by God.
peoples of intermarriage.
peoples who do good acts.
peoples who have animal rocks. (3)
peoples whose family died in terrorist actions.
peoples handicapped.
territory and peoples of former East Germany.
territory of Brooklyn, NY.
territory of Cuba. *
territory of Frederick county, MD.

4) we nominate a slate for political party in
United States of America. Reform
Republican Party on the ballet. Proposed

Elizabeth Dole & Governor Jesse Ventura.
David Letterman. Press secretary.
Chris Rock. MC.
Puffy 'Daddy' Combs. Ambassador to the UN.
Lauryn Hill. Interior Minister.
Coolio. Secretary of State.
Kurt L. Schmoke. National Security Advisor.
Clint Eastwood. FBI.
Bruce Willis. DCI.
Martha Stewart. DEA.
Jimmy Carter. DOE.
Mike Tyson. Federal Bureau of Prisons.
Willie Nelson. IRS.
Jody Foster. NASA.
Brooke Shields. USIA.
Dennis Mi
Monica Lewinsky. HHS.
Russel Means. Department of War.

5) we nominate a candidate for Supreme
Secretariat of the United Nations.

Prime Minister Tony Blair (Labor).

6) all actions & statistics multicast http.

7) prayers & Tribute to allies.

8) our conditions will change, but you will
only be bound by the conditions under
which you surrendered.


0) Demands met - Mother Earth is healed.
(All animals treated with respect.)

1) all Native Peoples have statistically
normal internet access.

2) Aliens: Year 2020, unwarrented statistics,
painful beginning of the sixth World.
Listen, it is Written Two Hu'mons will
Survive. It is written by 2020 the
unified theory of everything will be done.
you each are the hands and ears and voice
of god. choose your own eternity - there
are as many paths as there are you. Or
they say, no humans but a rock. One
tablet from a universe sucked into the a
black hole. to the otherside of the
universe - do not be afraid.

3) Unity.

4) Year 3000
beginning of the 6th world. (2700).

5) Time is understood.

6) Our party wins year 2000 United States of
America presidential election.

7) Every one smokes.

Many futures, choose carefully.
In Jesus Christ's name,
- Two Knifes, Fire Clan, Hopi Nation.

thank you,


1999 (c) Hopi Information Network (tm) All Rights Reserved


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posted on Dec, 15 2002 @ 03:21 AM
arent there two beasts, one with seven heads and ten horns, and another with two horns and a dragons voice. The second beast is supposed to be subservient to the first one and raises support for the first.

Rev 13:11-13And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

doesnt the usa fit this description if the first beast represents the un.


posted on Dec, 15 2002 @ 03:47 AM

Originally posted by Savonarola
-The United States vapourised 100,000 civilians in Hiroshima and 50,000 Nagasaki. The Japanese, at least, attacked Pearl Harbour, a military target;

I must express my hate towards people who do not know their history.

Yes Japan hit US military targets, if you subtract the numerous attempts to float baloons with bombs and disease over here to the us, which had they not exploded on coast lines and generally unpopulated areas, would have made a nice mess.

But further than that, Japan sure as hell attacked Chinese civilians, killing 100s of thousands if not millions of chinese, directly.

America is NOT the beast because then and NOW we still fight for others too weak to do so. America will fall, and it will turn into the beast. But so long as we keep our heads, and teach our children our heritage, this will never happen.

-The Seal of the United States boasts 13 stars, 13 arrows, and 13 olive leafs - as you no doubt are aware, Christ and His 12 desciples add up to thirteen and Judas Iscariot is often acknowledged as the unlucky thirteenth. Freemasons hold 13 as especially lucky, though I can't guess as to why...;

This is pointless, what if the colonies tried to seceed from brittain when there were only 10 or 11? or 2? And I know of 3, 5, and 7. 13 comes from the events that took place on friday the 13th 1307, and of what Demolay said on 1314, the day of his death, cursing the pope, the king of france and the prime minister of england to their 13th generation. Oddly enough, so I hear, we all, are the 13th generation, unless you are a baby boomer, or maybe the baby boomers are the 13th and I'm the 14th?
anyways...13 isn't lucky or unlucky, it just came to be unlucky because of those coincidenses.

-The United States, right now, is clamping down on the privacy and freedoms of the American people in the name of security. Fear is used by the government to take power from the people

This has happend before, but it won't stay that way, as before. Americans are too free loving, as soon as they REALLY feel threatened from within, another Civil war will bust out and fix things
If awareness doesn't just rightly do it.

The people of the U.S. are relatively clueless about how the rest of the world views their country. Nor do they much care

And I don't think we should much care, I don't think the good people of zimbabwae give a of how people in Azerbaijan think about them.

Ridiculous evidence - such as a terrorist's passport surviving the heat of ignited jet fuel, found on the street in New York - and the arabic flight manual found in that car at the airport (as if...) - suggest that 911 is probably not quite as it initially appears

I have nothing to say about this, because I've heard only of the airport flight manual, which makes sense, if you are about to do a really big job (crashing a plane directly into a tall thin tower, is much like threading a needle without touching the sides.) I'd probably be reading the flight manual one last time myself. As for the passports, who knows, I've heard nothing about that, that might have been leaked to the news by some joker?

I disagree with those points of yours for those reasons. I don't think we are the beast, but I think if we should ever fall from the light, we would become the beast of the bible. In that we shall give all a number, and the masters of man would judge all while being judged not. That time fortunately, has not come, and probably will never truly come. But a better relation, honestly, is Gondor and Mordor.

The Beast in the bible is really just endulgance and greed, man is branded with the mark of the beast because he is an animal, no longer human, but greedy, selfish, all for himself, all for today.

This is an unlikely senario in today's standards, most likely, the US. which can be thought of as Gondor, lead by wise leaders, can fall into darkness such as Mordor, ruled by evil and corrupt beings, who only want themselves to live well.

Let us not forget we all must answer death, it is not how we live but how we die. It would be best if we never died at all, living in the hearts of those we saved. -Freemason 1:47 AM 12-15-2002 (hopefully someone did not beat me to that quote! IT's mine!!! ALL MINE....MY PRECIOUS!!!

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posted on Dec, 15 2002 @ 04:01 AM
I like your explanation using gondor and mordor. Also, I don't believe that te un or the us is the beast, i was just saying that it was intresting that there was this parrallel. I think that the us could use its power to help much more than it is at the moment. America is the role model for other free nations and has been this way since its founding. Also Americans should have more of a worldview, being citizens of the only world superpower.


posted on Dec, 15 2002 @ 05:24 AM

Are you saying I don't know my history? Were any of the historical quotes I gave wrong? Do you hate me?

I chose my quotes because, when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour, they did it because it was a military target. They didn't bomb houses and schools.

The Americans firebombed Tokyo to the moon to demoralise the citizens of Japan; they bombed indiscriminately and Tokyo was not a military target. Then they dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima, again, not a military target, killing 100,000 civilians. Japan surrendered. Then America dropped another bomb, killing 50,000 civilians, just to ensure they got their point across.

Need I remind you that the U.S. had doctors and scientists lined up before the bombs were dropped to examine the effects? They were in the cities the very next day.

I omitted the fact that the Japanese slaughtered thousands of Chinese in internment camps because my argument was based upon the argument that the U.S. overstepped her own values (that Americans claim to cherish). In the war between Japan and the U.S., the Japanese destroyed U.S. ships and naval bases and the Americans retaliated by killing hundreds of thousands of civilians.

If Japan killed hundreds of thousands of Chinese, and such an act is detested by the world, ought the Americans, who claim to be the bastion of Western Values and Morality do the same? Do two stupids make a smart?

Mahatma Gandhi once said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".

It's unfortunate you hate me, Freemason, because I have thoroughly enjoyed our debates.

The point of this discussion was not to prove that the U.S. is in fact 'the beast', but merely to point out to those who constantly impose 'beastship' on Russia or China that the U.S. has just as many black marks in its history (and present).

I get so frustrated when I go online to search for reasonable information/interpretation of the bible only to find a bunch of crazies naming one or more of America's enemies as the beast. Most of these people will also name Bill Gates or Vladimir Putin as the antichrist/false prophet as well.

We may see some of the signs of the end times as fortold in prophecy, but who can say how long the process will take? Five years? Ten Years? A thousand years?

I fear the noose will be around our collective neck before we see the trap.

"The first step in avoiding a trap is knowing of its existence."


posted on Dec, 15 2002 @ 06:03 AM
Truth is I don't hate you, because you know history, but you pick and choose which peices

If the Japanese did manage to push back our navy, after we had been bombing them and such, they'd have done the same to us. The reason that bombing such as that occured in WW2 is because it was of dire importance to keep the enemy weak in morale.

Do you know how hard it would have been to defeat germans, if they weren't already worn down knowing that they may be fighting only to get back and learn their loved ones had died. Americans were strengthened with the resolve of not having that fear.

That does not make us "The Beast" it makes us the executioners. It is humanities right to judge eachother and duly waste one another. The Beast is lack of freedom. Nazi Germany, Japan, they had no freedoms. I think the Matrix sums it up nicely in that they have to kill the very people they are trying to save, just to bring down the system they are trying to save them from.

I disagree with the Second Atomic Bomb, and Dresden, but these are just one or two bad events, in a war filled with hundreds of similar events that HAD to be done.

I think when IF WW3 comes, and you're in the trench, you'll pull the trigger to. Any soldier at that time, if they knew that their very next bomb they'd drop, would hit a factory, even if they KNEW there were thousands of "civilians" (how does someone who supports a war effort by making weapons, claim to be a civilian, I'll never know, remember, victory is on the HOMEFRONT!) they'd still have dropped it.

They Dropped the Bomb on Hiroshima so as to wake the Japanese out of their fanatacism, the Japanese would have killed more of their own people, defending the main islands from invasion, than by two bombs, even 3, they'd have lost 650,000 in the first days of fighting, since we'd need to put 1,000,000 men on the beaches to ensure we broke their defenses.

The US and NO nation can overstep lines of morality, when dealing with unmoral people. The saying "Don't lower yourself to them" does not apply in war, all that applies in war is STRENGTH, and FORGIVENESS after they've surrendered, and the fighting has stopped. Until then, it is destroy them any means necissary. Industrialization just made civilians targets for the first time in history.

Since you've omitted parts of history, how about you omitt the civilians we kill, and just say we killed thousands of Japanese soldiers for the sailors that died at Pearl Harbor?

Again, with the two stupids make a smart, comment, it really has nothing to do with that. Civilians were targets because of many reasons, to weaken the soldiers hearts, and to try and weaken their war effort. In WW2 it was shown that carpet bombing was not an effective means of weakening the war effort, but today's technology, we can cripple an entire nations ability to even send post cards, in a matter of hours, if we can get our planes over there. Tomorrow's war will be an air war, with the victor crushing the logistics of the enemy's armies, making them nearly useless. The only way WW3 will be bloody, is if there is a stalemate in the skies.

Finally, Russia and China are the closest things to the beast there ever was, not because of the suffering it caused, but because of the lack of freedoms they impose.

Soviet Union you couldn't have a baby without them pretty much tatooing it with a barcode, and in China good luck in saying anything about freedom there. They'll throw you in a slave camp before you can say MAO TSE TUNG!

Russia today though is not the beast, there are a lot of crazies out there. I for one still think the beast is a LITERAL meaning, meaning that when we are all marked, we effectively are no longer humans, but animals. And that it has nothing to do with society.

"The first step in avoiding a trap, is knowing its existance" Dune fan? Or is that from elsewhere I don't know about

Dune is interesting, when you realize it is exactly a twist on Lawrence of Arabia.

Anyways, I know I implied I hate you, but in reality I don't hate anyone, I was just overly expressing my huge disgust for people who use that claim of Pearl Harbour to kill 100,000 Jap civilians thing, among other stupid things in history that people twist to make America look bad.

If the Japanese weren't so stupid, they'd have occupied Hawaii, and bombard LA//SF//Seattle They really just didn't think we'd bust out on them heh.

Hmm one thing I'll point out.

Is look at the Doolittle raid. That's an example of blowing up civilians, but it was entirely to show America that we could win this.

It is hard now, seeing all the A$s kicking we did in 1944-45, to see how badly we were getting our a$ses beat even until 1943.

When the Doolittle raid occured, this is how effective the american's had been in the war.

Kasserine pass: killing 2000 Germans, 8000 Americans, German victory.
Wake Island: Some odd number of Americans killed, no escape possible. Japanese Victory.
Pearl harbor: 3000+ Americans dead, 40+ Japanese dead. No real victory.
Phillipeans: not sure on any figures, but it still doesn't look good, when you see a flamethrower spewing fire into a pill box on Cantanoga (whatever it is called) and you realize that's a Jap soldier burning US out....not the other way around so popularized in the later part of the war.
All through 1942 Rommel was making an A$s out of us, inflicting heavy defeats and effectively delaying the invasion of Germany by a year and a half, with just about 200,000 men, and 88mm Artillery peices. (Rommel is short of being a God, if you ever want to read up on what kind of stuff he has done, Patton and him were destined to match witts).
In the Pacific you have the Japs tearing up the feild at New Guinea was it? Anyways, that area there was a battle that raged for some 4 months, just to take over an island about as big as florida.
Then you have Italy, where America suffered some of their heaviest casulties of the war.

It really just did not perk up until we conquered that forementioned island that I don't know off the top of my head, and Italy, then the war really started to get rolling, but taking these places was by no means as easy as was made seen by the sweeping victories in '44 and '45.

You can not just be fighting a back and forth war and not have anything to tell the peeps at home that we are actually kicking butt.

Look at Germany, they had said that they'd never be bombed, well we sure shocked them Boo yah! Teaches them to lay waste to most of London. Of which I'm sure Germany would not have hesitated to slap a Nuke on their V2 as soon as they got one, and they were very close.

Eh...too much rambling! heh...Anyways, the carpet bombing of WW2 was a necessity, not a war monstrosity.

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posted on Dec, 15 2002 @ 08:31 AM
Savonarola, an understanding of the Bible wowuld help alot in understanding where the U.S. might fit in when it comes to the end-times, and why it won't play a significant part (that might hurt the feelings of some Yanks who think they are the center of the universe).

The U.S. was not part of the Old Roman Empire, so they are not a part of the New Roman Empire. When Israel is attacked from the North, it doesn't mean from North America, but from due North; Russia. Gog and Magog.

When Israel is attacked by the North, the Lion (England) and her cubs (U.S., Canada, Australia, etc.) will not lift a hand to stop the invasion except make protests through diplomatic channels.

The symbolism might give the Yanks something to hope for, as the woman is taken away on the wings of an eagle (possibly the U.S.) and hidden from the dragon. The U.S. has the wilderness to hide the Jews and the capability of an airlift. So maybe the U.S. will play a role in the upcoming events other than being just another nartion in subjugation to the Satanic One World Order.

posted on Dec, 21 2002 @ 11:10 AM
I too believe that we live in the belly of the beast. it isn't just the USA but all human government. They are all bad, thats why we pray for God's kingdom. Babylon is all false religion, getting involved with all governments also known ad the great prostitute. One of the biggest signs that the end is near is going to be when the beast attacks the her/the prostitute/babylon. Isn't the Boston church in danger of going bankrupt because of all the sexual abuse cases?
I do not mean to offend anyone these are just my beliefs.

posted on Dec, 21 2002 @ 09:00 PM
Actually there have been 3 Roman Empires. First was Rome, than Byzantium and then Russia.

So any Prophecies envolving the "new rome" probably is regaurding Byzantium, because that was around at the time of these prophecies, or Russia, the 3rd Rome. The Romes of the World are called such because they are the decendants of the last lines of Roman Emperors.

When the East seperated from the West to become Byzantium, the line of Emperors continued there, and when Byzantium was over ran, the last of that family travelled north to Rome and Moscow and the principality. Hence the Romanovs.

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posted on Dec, 23 2002 @ 10:56 AM
Okay, America can't be the beast because the Revelation was not about the end of the world. No, it was about the rulers during that time. The purpose of this was to reassure the people who followed christ during that time that God would vanquish and overcome all. And that they should not follow the blaphemous acts of the anti-christ rulers of ancient times. So, the Revelation was written to reassure anyone who was being persucuted for thier open belief in Christ. If you would like to find out what every line meant then go to a bible study on the Revelation. The beast was and is the people who are anti-christ and specifically, the different horns and so on were the different leaders and kings during ancient times.

[Edited on 23-12-2002 by Spiker951]


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