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Originally posted by dark_matter06
There's is only one question I have since every date of discoveries is around the same decade or so and the West knew about the info the Dogon's had around the same time. How long did the Dogon's have this info. Was it on cave walls for 100s of years and passed down generations or did they just learn it? I couldn't find anything on it. I suppose if I did the mystery would be solved.
Originally posted by Lost_Mind
Was all of this all based on Griaules relating the supposed oral history of the Dogon with no corroborating physical evidence? I cant see how Griaule and co. could have thought that these people had held this knowledge tightly throughout their history, from antiquity without expressing this knowledge in some physical form, art, something.
Originally posted by IsaacKoi
More fundamental is the issue of whether there is any evidence that the knowledge attributed to the Dogon had been held by them prior to its communication to Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen between 1931 and 1950. Some of the proponents of the "Sirius Mystery" claim there is such evidence. For example, in response to criticisms of his theory by Carl Sagan, Robert Temple has suggested that the Dogon have had the relevant knowledge for hundreds of years, referring "hundreds or thousands of objects, symbols, woven blankets, carved statues, etc., etc., which exist in those cultures relating to the 'Sirius Mystery'" and stated that he is baffled by "how these hundreds or thousands of object are meant to have been expertly fabricated fakes purporting to be centuries old, fooling all dating experts" (Temple, 1981).
However, few details of such "hundreds of thousands" of pieces of evidence have been supplied by Robert Temple or anyone else.
Obvious questions about the "hundreds or thousands" pieces of evidence mentioned by Robert Temple are:
(1) What specific objects are relied upon?
(2) How do those specific objects prove that the alleged knowledge of the Dogon is "centuries old"?
If such objects and symbols did indeed exist, then the alternative explanation put forward by sceptics (i.e. contamination with Western knowledge) would be completely undermined.
Temple has written a lengthy book on the "Sirius Mystery". He also substantially added to that book, after two decades of attacks by sceptics largely based upon the theory that the relevant knowledge is the result of recent contamination. So, why hasn't Temple answered the two basic questions posed above about the "hundreds or thousands" of objects and symbols?
The obvious inference is that he is unable to provide compelling answers to these questions.
Originally posted by sonicology
Fantastic post IsaacKoi, it is obvious that a great deal of work went into it and for that I thank you. However in destroying the old "mystery" you have created a new one; why do people continue to assign a supernatural explanation to something which can be explained much more simply by natural means?
Originally posted by FireMoon
How many of the Dogon tribe did Carl Sagan interview and for that matter how many did Temple?
Originally posted by FireMoon
Lets see what a tribal elder/historian from the Dogon actually says and then start from there.
Originally posted by rich23
I haven't time to go through the whole thread. One thing I do know, is that The Sirius Mystery was published in the seventies (I have the original hard back). At that time, the existence of Sirius C was not known, but was mentioned in the book. ... The book therefore makes a prediction which was validated by later discoveries.