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Originally posted by zman
None of the problems which existed last week and combined the Dow down several hundred points has really changed.
Originally posted by jefwane
Looks like the PTB have given up trying to keep the pump going now that the holidays are over. I'm skeptical of Gold at the moment, I can't decide if we are heading into a deflationary recession (basically a Depression which would hit gold too),
Originally posted by jefwane
a hyper-inflationary environment ( where gold would rocket even more), or some type of stagflationary environment ( where i think gold would do okay). Also i think gold may dip due to selling to cover margin calls.
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Originally posted by Vojvoda
I lived with hyperinflation in my country two years! Even have a lot of money from that period as was worthless.
Originally posted by jefwane
Looks like the PTB have given up trying to keep the pump going now that the holidays are over. I'm skeptical of Gold at the moment, I can't decide if we are heading into a deflationary recession (basically a Depression which would hit gold too),
Deflation - no. Deflation with depression would happen if FED stops insanely printing money and rise interest rates. And that's not going to happen as banks would be massively gone into bankruptcy.
Originally posted by jefwane
a hyper-inflationary environment ( where gold would rocket even more), or some type of stagflationary environment ( where i think gold would do okay). Also i think gold may dip due to selling to cover margin calls.
So, Bernanke choose to print money like there is no tomorrow. Print more money for liquidity! And that lead into hyperinflation. Bernanke thinks that credit expansion doesn't have to stop and that caused boom can be prolonged forever [just with printing more fiat money]. Hyperinflation is drastically more dangeous than depression!
The world prices of oil, gold, weat, metals, various commodities are high and will be more higher because of inflation of US dollar!
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Originally posted by cpdaman
well deflation vs. inflation is a silly argument IMO. it leads one to believe there can only be one or the other. Are there not many asset classes, stocks, bonds, houses
Originally posted by cpdaman
well houses are deflating, or more accurately Dis-inflating, if they continue to lose value past their 2001 days i would say deflating, but honestly it is semantics there
bonds have begun to deflate as well, this trend is not as solid as houses or as hopeless IMO
Originally posted by cpdaman
unless you live in a cave, you can see cost of living expenses are inflating
Food is inflating, especially in foreign country's.
Insurance prices are inflating, medical costs are inflating.
Energy prices inflating
Stocks Marke indexes are stagnating with many individual stocks deflating rapidly , namely homebuilders and financials (actually financial's just about crashed)
Precious metals are inflating
so alot of Asset prices are deflating and a lot of Costs of living are inflating. Bad combo. Precious metals are one of the only Investment assets that really over performing.
Originally posted by cpdaman
Also the fed is not really printing like mad and all those headlines like "fed injects 40 billion" are all just rollovers i.e old temporary loan was due, so they just reissued the same loan , because the problem hasn't been solved (credit crunch or insolvency crunch)
the devaluation of the u.s dollar will cause things priced in dollar to be re-adjusted.
Hyperinflation is a word throw about a bit too much. inflation in money printing may occur but i think a deflation in credit is about to occur because banks are tightening their lending standards. Also it would be very difficult to hyperinflate the world's reserve currency. A small little country sure, but the united states and a world reserve currency. that would be a challenge
Originally posted by cpdaman
also sure they can print some money ( not sure if it can catch up w/ deflating credit) but even if it can , the fed can't determine where that money flows. i.e Asset values can continue to deflate in a situation where money inflation outpaces any negative trend in credit, although in that situation i see metals flying high.
Originally posted by cpdaman
it will be intresting to see how long the foreign country's can continue to peg their currency's to the dollar, because if the fed lowers to say 3% that will cause very dangerous inflation in foreign country's, and civilian disorder w rising prices for many costs of living.
Originally posted by cpdaman
IMO many economists overestimate the ability of the FED to really do much. I also think Political decisions will have a great deal of an effect on the monetary policy's and this political body in the U.S is getting desperate.
Originally posted by cpdaman
vojvoda
i apologize for using the word "inflation" and "deflation" in real world examples that are actually representitive of reality.
Originally posted by cpdaman
Do you actually believe the "Helicopter Ben" crap? He wrote that to boost investor confidence and create this "magical belief" that the fed will come to the rescue. The fed is all talk. The fed can lower intrest rates all they wish, but this WILL NOT AUTOMATICALLY lead to more M3 credit, Bill Gross of Pimpco describes how lending within the context of falling home prices and the falling underlying capital of banks will be very inelastic to intrest rate cuts. And sure the GOv't has a printing press (not the fed) if the fed want's to accept more U.S treasury notes in exchange for dealing out more federal reserve notes (dollars) but they can't direct where the money goes, you think they are going to lend the U.S endless amounts of debt "money" so it can flow into GOLD? btw this was a serious question.
Originally posted by cpdaman
interest rate cuts will however, boost profits for our saudi shiek friends while their citizens drown under consumer price inflation.
Originally posted by cpdaman
kinda like you buy stakes and provide capital for our insolvent banks thru you soverign wealth funds, and we'll lower intrest rates and line your oil pockets, but this is just a shot in the dark, after all inflation has been one of our biggest exports over the last few years, maybe you have better insight as to who specifically benefit from the rate cuts.
Originally posted by cpdaman
i do agree that the fed caused the great depression, and i do believe that was intentional.
Originally posted by cpdaman
One of the biggest benefits of denial is peace of mind, and one of the biggest consequences is ignorance, the "fed" was NOT EVER INTENDED to create a "healthy functioning economy" but just to provide the illusion and indebt the country much like the IMF and World bank provide "credit to other country" that they can't pay back so they can enslave them and CONTROL them, not to mention grab their resources when they default. And ever corrupt govt's love the idea of a fed that's first priority is to inflate because they (the gov't) hate the idea of balancing a budget and fiscal responsibility.