Who has the best Special Forces ?

1. SAS
2. Mossad
3. Spetsnaz
4. Delta Force

And once more i feel the need to explain that the Gurkha's are NOT special forces, they are a regular british army unit from another country....with more unorthodox styles.

Originally posted by David

And once more i feel the need to explain that the Gurkha's are NOT special forces, they are a regular british army unit from another country....with more unorthodox styles.

I thought Gurkha was the name of the knife?!

J/K
I know I know, it had to be said is all...

Some stuff on JTf2

www.cbc.ca...

Alright, you can nit pick over every little detail. SAS is the oldest (except Rangers), Israel probably has the most experience, SEALs probably have the best reputation, GSG-9 probably has the best experience in aircraft takedown, and GIGN the most in bus takedown. However, as far as I'm concerned, they are all elite and equal. Most SF across the world use the same selection criteria, and the same training methods. So what makes one better than the other?

And in answer to a few previous posts, there have been special forces olympics. JTF-2 actually won (my country). But SF Competitions do not prove who is the best. Anybody rememeber watching Belarus beat Sweden in Hockey for the Winter Olympics?

Well, the US Navy Seals have some of the best intelligence in the world. SOCOM (Special Operations Command), and compared to ALL other training in the world, they have the toughest training in the world. In and out of their history, beginning in the 1940's, they have lost under 30 men, due to their excellent use of stealth and recon. I would probably vote either for the British SAS or the US Navy Seals as the best. But, why does it matter, if we are fighting for the same thing? I say just put 'em all together and kick some ass! Imagine...British SAS, US Seals, Aussie SAS, and Canadian officers!!! Wait, that is how it is already...

-Mac

...there's only one way to really know, isn't there?

My grandfather was Spetnatz but he said he wasnt allowed to talk about what really happens during the training and he said that all the info on their training that out there is not true.

See the special forcecs convo in Weaponary forum..
Why does no one ever remember/know of the SBS? See my avatar

In my opinion America defenatly doesnt have the finest elite of the world
There are two reasons why it looks as if american sf are the best
1. the media
2. they are the richest army in the world

europe houses the finest sf in the world
SAS and german/french/belgium sf are trained most professionaly (they all get trained in germany)
my countries sf are originally SAS, england left belgium when europe was stable and we continued to train our sf ourselves
www.specialoperations.com...

if it comes to the fysical condition of the body, then the belgians are the best (americans are to haevy and concentrate on ther upper torso too much which makes them slower and less flexible)
there are multiple examples to prove that
for example joint sf meetings where they do contest
i know a paracommando (its like a mixture of a green beret and a ranger)
who did one of these contest, he was non sf, all the rest were sf from all over the world (including americans)
that paracommando won
www.specialoperations.com...
i know another paracommando who went training with the us marines, he says they are nothing special and the training is soft
and the paracommandos work closly together with sas and the foreign legion for example
i write all this patriotic # cause so so many americans always think they are the best
and thats tottaly wrong
they could be but they think they are the best and therefor they are less demanding of themselves
same with the american education system, its one of the whorst in the world
if we would talk about the best ct units in the world then america defenatly is not included either

im usually the one who defends america against this hype of anti amercanism
but they should swallow there proud
they have nothing to be proud about
they mess up the world, for there own sake


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The best special forces in the world cannot be determined without beforehand acknowledging each individual unit's specialties in different aspects of unconventional warfare. For example, below I have compiled a list of the best units for each of the following aspects:

Waterborne Operations / Maritime Operations: U.S. Navy SEALs

Waterborne Operations / Maritime Operations (Insertion Aspect): British SBS

Aircraft Takedown: U.S. Army SFOD-D (Delta Force) / German GSG-9

Pilot Recovery Missions: U.S. Air Force Paratroopers

Hostage Rescue Missions: U.S. Army SFOD-D (Delta Force)

Strike Ops / Large Scale Conventional Insertions: U.S. Army Rangers

Long Range Reconnaissance Missions (Land Based): British Special Air Service (SAS)

Long Range Reconnaissance Missions (Water Based): U.S. Marine Force Recon / U.S. Navy SEALs

Demolition (Land Based): U.S. Navy Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Units

Demolition (Water Based): U.S. Navy SEALs

Expeditionary Missions: British SAS / U.S. Army Green Berets

Snatch and Grab Missions: U.S. Navy DEVGRU / U.S. Army SFOD-D (Delta Force)

De-Mining Operations: U.S. Navy Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Units


Did I miss anything?

Also, in case you didn't notice, the above mentioned units are primarily U.S. Why do you think that is?

Answer: Because we have the largest amount of resources, the best training available, the best weapons and equipment, and the most powerful and technologically advanced military in the world to back our SpecOps guys up when they are out in the field. However, other foreign units have exceeded our own in certain areas.


Mr. M



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hello,

i dont agree with you
i ve discussed this matter with sas, foreign legion and lrrp dudes
there eperience with american sf is rather dissapointing
the reason why you mention mainly us forces is cause you dont have knowledge about any other sf
but yeah....
nevermind
you guys do have best technology
but best training????
no way!!!
i ve been following and reading for like ten years now about all sf around the world
the one thing i agree with is that for wather missions seals are best

[edit on 18-6-2004 by Paiste]

For your information I have worked with special forces from all over the world, and my opinion is based on experience, not research. I know what I am talking about.

1) How do you figure we don't have the best training? Name one example.


Mr. M

on a joint sf event (i think it as organised by nato)
sf forces did this big contest against each other
the para commando (which is not an sf) won against those sf

i ve talked with paras about there experiences with sas etc.
and they all admit that the americans are not very professional
they have the money, the technology,...
they look good on the pictures, thats for sure
i ve spoken with a colonel who went to afghanistan and he also was complaining about the americans
and again and thats wot he also said, they like themsleves so much, they have no respect for the rest of the world and terefor they will keep arguing that they are the best
and its absolute bull
there are seals who come training here to learn about africa for example
if they are the best and blabla then why the hell would they come to a tiny place like this
just swallow your patriotic rubbish

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I would have to say the Australian SAS for an all round SF force. And just to remind some of you Mossad is not Israel's SF, I'm sure they have paramilitary units but the Israeli SF units are

Sayeret Golani (they specialise in mountain warfare)
Sayeret Mat'kal (Commando's)
and Sayeret Tzanhanin, which are kinda like US Rangers, but smaller.

Polish SF sound pretty good. (GROM) The head of GROM was awarded a medal by the US for a hostage rescue they did in Haiti in 1994. One lesser known SF that sound pretty impressive are South African Reccondos. I don't know much about their operational stuff, but the training they go through sounds just as hard than that of the SAS and Delta.

Also like the sounds of the British SBS. Supposedly, they had got bin Laden into a tight spot, but just when they were about to go in, the command called in and told them to back off and let the Americans go in, and during the time of switching around bin Laden managed to slip away.

And about German SF, GSG-9 are only CT's. They're prhibited by German law to operate outside their country, they did however break this law with the little hostage rescue on the plane in Mogadishu. The German SF now are the KSK.

(I don't have any links for any of this. I got it from a book I have called The Encyclopaedia of the World's Special Forces written by Mark Ryan, Chris Mann and Alexander Stilwell. Its a great read if you can get hold of it.)



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When people say "SAS" they think about the British SAS force. They are the best special focrce in the world, Australia should come up with their own Special Force instead of copying off us Brits again.

Spetznaz ALL THE WAY!!!

It actually depends, really. Special forces can be so specialized that none is really better than the other. But if I had to choose the most well-balanced special forces, I'd say Spetznaz.

This may come as a surprise to many of you, but the U.S. Air Force Special Operations command actually has the most difficult training program of all U.S. special operations. This is because their physical requirements and specific training are so demanding and large in number.

I was surprised to. The flipside is, it's not that "grueling" training of BUD/S and Ranger School.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
The Israely Moussad is the best... That's what they thought my dad in the Dutch marines...

yes

with all the practice of killing unarmed suvilians they are the best

Originally posted by Minime
When people say "SAS" they think about the British SAS force. They are the best special focrce in the world, Australia should come up with their own Special Force instead of copying off us Brits again.

I've noticed several posts of yours since you joined with a bitterness towards Australia. Jealous?

Why don't you say the same about the New Zealand SAS? I think you need to relax and have a nice warm beer in a nice warm pub on this chilly UK summer afternoon.

Originally posted by TopGun
Alright, you can nit pick over every little detail. SAS is the oldest (except Rangers), Israel probably has the most experience, SEALs probably have the best reputation, GSG-9 probably has the best experience in aircraft takedown, and GIGN the most in bus takedown. However, as far as I'm concerned, they are all elite and equal. Most SF across the world use the same selection criteria, and the same training methods. So what makes one better than the other?

And in answer to a few previous posts, there have been special forces olympics. JTF-2 actually won (my country). But SF Competitions do not prove who is the best. Anybody rememeber watching Belarus beat Sweden in Hockey for the Winter Olympics?

The rangers as a special force where trained by the commandos which in time became sas so british commandos are oldest 'special forces' . The rangers are a great unit though