High Definition & Blue Ray Technologies are a scam. Don't be fooled.

Writes and erases wear out flash memory, but reads don't. Flash memory can be made read-only quite easily. Regardless, from your own posted article:

some CF can be rated at over 3 million writes per block, and with average usuage that might work out to 100 years of writing

There's no question that a solid disk is more reliable than flash memory, but only very slightly so. On the other hand, flash memory is more damage resistant. Scratch an SD card, you can still use it. Scratch a disk, it's done for. So there's a trade-off.

Originally posted by FreeThinkerIdealist
reply to post by dk3000

 

Riddle me this, how exactly is your television doing two way communication?

I can see a slight argument if you have cable or satellite.

But, what about people with antenna? They can get HD broadcast too.

What about people who have a tv just for movies and games? I know a lot who do just that.

How is it these people are being spied on, through their PS3/Blu-Ray player, when it isn't plugged into the internet?



I think you are being overly paranoid.


There is not such a deep conspiracy in everything. Nice try though.



P.S. If you are that paranoid about television and disc players ... then how can you even think about coming online?!?

First let me tell you that I understand media and the technology which operates it. Second, of course they can do better- just as soon as they get all idiots to use tide- and all the money is dried up- then they will hawk "new and improved" tide for twice the price.

You are arguing on the BS technology pros and cons while the studios introduce a "process" which is pretty much the same. Sounds a lot like government- would you agree? Yes the government is quite "entertaining" now isn't it.

Ask yourself this question...I'm typing slowly so you will understand without getting offended- why would an expense be incurred to charge people for the "same" thing. The obvious to a higher intellect is because it is the same thing- with one thing added that doesn't make a difference in performance. Its simple.

As for being paranoid- I could not care less what or why someone would want to watch via Two-way being sold as one-way. I would still watch porn and rub one out while winking at a covert observer.

And btw, it's not a conspiracy- its a fact. I am not attempting to build a nest in it- because if you open the door and invite them- they will enter- if you make it difficult or not as welcoming they will not laugh in your face- which is what I prefer.

Yes- lets assume complete control- they are watching this conversation right now. I would venture to guess their are slapping their knees and rolling because I am telling the truth in a simple easy to understand way- while the over-educated idiots confuse the simple truth!

All they said was- put a two-way device in there- let's see if anyone will notice!

It doesn't matter what you believe- they will continue laughing all the way to your bank!

Its not that important- I had a laugh with a studio head about this- err...actually he had a laugh- I just rolled my eyes.

Thanks for listening- you may all go back to reverse engineering Blue-Ray and HD and play spot nothing.

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Not entirely true...it depends on the size, depth, and angle of the scratch (i do optical media repairs as part of my job). if you have one, or a few superficial surface scratches, that's no cause for alarm...unless your player is a total piece of crap. even a medium scratch isn't a big deal....it depends on how big it is, and it's angle...if it's straight out, you'll probably be fine, but if it's in line with the disc's curve, you've got a problem. Also, disc technology is becoming more and more advanced....look at blu ray. they're made from a proprietary polymer, so they're VERY hard to scratch. take a look at this www.youtube.com...

EDIT: lol, forgot to mention...obviously, since i do optical media repairs, if you have the right equipment, you can repair any disc....so a scratch doesn't automatically mean the disc is "done for"

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Uh...for anyone to see anything at all, you'd need a camera and/or microphone.

If there's not one built into something you buy, it's impossible.

Originally posted by ALLis0NE
mikesingh, I think you need to stop trying so hard, you confuse yourself quite easly.
Ok lets clear up the proper terms here.
DATA=ALL TYPES OF INFORMATION.
MEMORY=ALL TYPES OF STORAGE THAT CAN HOLD DATA (ram,rom,harddrives,cds,dvds,b-ray)
A "data storage device" is what you call "memory". RAM, ROM, HARD DRIVES, DVD's ect, are all MEMORY.

Well, well! Thanks for the lesson! But you’ve confused yourself on what I said, even more! Can you re-read what I’ve written about ‘memory’? Did you notice that you have repeated exactly what I had mentioned? Here is what I said, again…

“I think it would be advisable to keep Primary Storage (RAM), Secondary Storage (Hard Disc), Off-line Storage (CDs/DVDs/HD DVDs), and Tertiary Storage including RAS in separate compartments and not mix them all up.”

All these, needless to say are storage devices. All I said was to keep them as different identities like above! So what’s the big deal? What you have said is exactly what I have. So there’s no confusion - on this side of the fence at least!

Cheers!










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Sorry, kid, but when you're talking about computers and technology, memory refers to RAM and occasionally ROM (chips). Flash memory, too. That sort of thing. It's not really used to refer to hard storage devices for the most part. You made yourself seem a little foolish, dude.


Actually, Wikipedia seems to describe it quite well:

In contemporary usage, memory usually refers to a form of semiconductor storage known as random access memory (RAM) and sometimes other forms of fast but temporary storage. Similarly, storage today more commonly refers to mass storage - optical discs, forms of magnetic storage like hard disks, and other types slower than RAM, but of a more permanent nature. Historically, memory and storage were respectively called primary storage and secondary storage.

en.wikipedia.org...

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Originally posted by Johnmike
reply to post by dk3000

 

Uh...for anyone to see anything at all, you'd need a camera and/or microphone.

If there's not one built into something you buy, it's impossible.

Impossible? That's rich!

Do you really think the Nielson Ratings System uses paper ballots sent by mail- in todays market- that is?

No its not all about an "evil big brother conspiracy"- its about opening up technology and milking it for absolutely everything and every reason which can be exploited. And it is.

And certain car wax compounds as well as Ivory Liquid soap can clean a DVD/CD deep scratch incredibly and effectively!

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...No, I mean, covertly and electronically.

Hi Guys,

I would just like to get your Point-of-View on the subject of the Blue-Ray Disc pricing which they have now that's between US$20 - US$26 for an average movie. I understand that they are better than DVD's in terms of Picture and Sound quality but are their actual PRICE value worth it considering that within a few years time it will definitely drop below the US$20's. The same case as with DVD's in the beginning.

So if I buy a Blue-Ray movie today for US$26 is it better than buying it lets say after 2 years for US$12 maybe ? I'm asking this because I myself collects movies (VHS, LD, DVD, and now Blue-Ray) right now I have about 15 BD's and I've experienced that over the years these things tends to LOOSE their Dollar Value instead of Gaining them and thats not good for a collector you see. As you can see today with DVD's market, the studios tends to release a NEW version of DVD's for the same movie at a CHEAPER PRICE which makes the older version loose their value.

Maybe someone can shed a light on these matters as well !!

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Originally posted by Johnmike
reply to post by dk3000

 

Uh...for anyone to see anything at all, you'd need a camera and/or microphone.

If there's not one built into something you buy, it's impossible.

Untrue, every speaker can double as a microphone. It is an extremely simple circuit. Have you peeled an IR sensor lately? Do you know how many pixels resoluton it has? I know you presume it has 1. But do you know that?

I realize this post was just flame bait but in the spirit of how ATS works everyone should have the opportunity to do their own analysis. Basically HD (e.g. Blu-Ray) can show fantastic resolution. Lots of testing has been done by SMPTE and other groups in HD and Digital Cinema. While it's hotly debated everyone at least believes that 35mm film certainly has 4.5 MegaPixel (3000x1500) resolution and maybe even 8-18 (4k x 2k or 6k x3k) MegaPixel resolution.

There are a ton of great image analysts here on ATS take a look at the test film data SMPTE has: www.dcimovies.com...

Here's a frame grab at 1080P from this test material. It is just amazing the clarity in good film.
[url]http://xep5qq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pNV6OAtjkbMLbjRaS-0GhzktK-UpzLtLHRlHckcJmmdbHwXI_Iu5ICHl8KnCmoUUyg6nuMWgvrVE/SMPTE-StEM-Sample-1080P.jpg[/u rl]

Originally posted by justmen
Hi Guys,

*snip*

They cost so much now, because they cost more to make than DVD. Remember when DVD was new? it was wildly expensive as well...give it a couple of years, and it'll be cheaper.

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Originally posted by Daedalus

Originally posted by justmen
Hi Guys,

*snip*

They cost so much now, because they cost more to make than DVD. Remember when DVD was new? it was wildly expensive as well...give it a couple of years, and it'll be cheaper.

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Yeah, I remembered that.. I have HUNDREDS of those Over Priced DVD's who's prices are now not even HALF of what I paid for that time.

So my Idea would be to WAIT it out until the prices drops bellow 20 then only I'll start FOCUSING primarily on BD's. But I still think that not ALL titles will be available in BD's thou... So our DVD's collection will still be good for us..

reply to post by jedimiller

So what? Your arguing semantics? If the film is digitized and it's quality is that of HD than its a HD Film. Period.

Originally posted by justmen

Originally posted by Daedalus

Originally posted by justmen
Hi Guys,

*snip*

They cost so much now, because they cost more to make than DVD. Remember when DVD was new? it was wildly expensive as well...give it a couple of years, and it'll be cheaper.

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Yeah, I remembered that.. I have HUNDREDS of those Over Priced DVD's who's prices are now not even HALF of what I paid for that time.

So my Idea would be to WAIT it out until the prices drops bellow 20 then only I'll start FOCUSING primarily on BD's. But I still think that not ALL titles will be available in BD's thou... So our DVD's collection will still be good for us..

You could be entertained quite comfortably and cheaply by simply only buying then-"top of the line" media that's 4 years old or older. Everything would be bargain priced, and still quite functional. It was good enough for people who only settle for the best four or more years ago, no? Old entertainment equipment that's in good condition hasn't gotten worse; new stuff has gotten better. If you progress your personal media collection at the same rate as the rest of the world, but a few years behind, you'd spend far less for the same things. The only downside is that you'd be able to see and be envious of all the nifty things that are yet to be "invented" in your personal entertainment timeline.

reply to post by jedimiller

Not to mention, for years they have been converting films shot on film, digitizing it and then converting it back out to film again.

Why?

It's because any feature shot on film originally that gets any sort of CGI has to be digitized then they do the CGI on the footage on the computers then after they would transfer the feature back out to film again to be played in theaters.

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the question is...do we really need better image quality and to pay exorbitant prices in the process?

Originally posted by warrenb
the question is...do we really need better image quality and to pay exorbitant prices in the process?

You don't NEED movies at all. You WANT movies. And if you want better image quality, and are willing to pay higher prices, then that's just as valid a desire as the desire to watch movies in the first place.

It's entertainment, people. Some people like to spring for quality. Artistic merit aside, there IS a difference in picture quality, and some people prefer the higher resolution. It's not like you can't just keep buying and watching regular DVDs, until they stop making the things, at which point Blu-Ray will be just as cheap, and you can go down to target and pick up a blu-ray player for 35 dollars.

It isn't exactly serious business. Buy what you want.