Originally posted by METACOMET
I doubt that operation paperclip, CIA, or government interests would be included in these arrests.
I made no mention of Paperclip and though those people may have been on the list I was refering to the investigations that Hoover's agents carried
out against espionage, financial misdealings, illegal diplomacy and trade abuses that were carried out on US soil in the inter-war to 1947 period.
People like the heads of General Motors, Gillette, Texaco, ITT, Ford, Standard Oil - the people that profited from World War 2 and continue to profit
from war. People like Prescott Bush and his descendants. Or the thousands of Abwehr agents who were working for the Nazis giving away technological
expertise throughout the war period, who though US citizens felt a greater loyalty to the economies of Europe than their new home. Or the
Anglo-European/US-European establishment who were willing to negotiate a peace with Heinrich Himmler if he could 'get rid of' Hitler (talk about out
of the frying pan...) whose meetings at the Waldorf Astoria and the Mark Hopkins Hotel (San Fran) the FBI routinely bugged and yet despite this
overwhelming evidence Truman vetoed prosecutions. Why, because GM, Ford, Gillette et al lobbied Truman not to.
We all have skeletons in our closets and that does not necessarily make us bad people. I don't admire Hoover as such, he had numerous faults and
foibles but I do think that half of his faults were due to being prevented from carrying out the job that he was employed to do, but then he was
employed by Roosevelt.
twright makes a very valid point. Was it even Hoover's list or Hoover's request? If Truman's ear was firmly in the Industrial Military complex
then perhaps the list reflected their interests, not Hoover's. Wonder why that list isn't part of the release of documents???
Truman was placed in the position of President without any knowledge of the scheming that had occured during the war, as such he was highly vunerable
to the influence of the rich and powerful. Truman did more damage, unknowingly, than any President before or since. The USA today reflects that
I agree with you, in an ideal world, due process should be enough. But when was the last time any of us lived in an ideal world? All legal systems
are open to corruption and the truth of the matter is that if you are rich you can pretty much buy yourself immunity. I am not an American, but from
my perspective, warts and all, Hoover cared about America and its way of life. There are several books and documentaries that discuss his faults, but
little do we hear of when he was right and it seems to me that he had more against the abuses of wealth and priviledge than he did against the common
It is quite possible to theorise based on documentary evidence, that Hoover had much less against Communists than he was against Fascists. He wasn't
though allowed to pursue the Fascists, he was allowed to chase Communists.
The course of due process can be drawn out and in certain cases you may know that evidence exists you just need access to it. Due process can allow
that evidence to be destroyed.
I don't have to agree in principle to see why there would need to be a blanket approach to arrests if your target is amongst the rich and powerful,
but I would also presume that many of those arrests would have proved very short term (assuming genuine motives). If you consider arresting everyone
connected to a particular corporation for example, the arrests could easily tip 12,000.
I don't agree with illegal detention, but I do think that there is more than meets the eye to this story and much more to the story of why J Edgar
Hoover is so riviled. There is a reason for everything and it is not always the most obvious. We shouldn't just believe what we are told.