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C2C's 'Gulf Coast 'Hole Punch Cloud'




Topic started on 19-12-2007 @ 02:57 PM by IMAdamnALIEN


This picture is actually pretty weird.
The wisps of cloud coming from the center of the hole are quite odd.

Can someone shed some light on how this could be made?

www.coasttocoastam.com...

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image source: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/timages/page/Skypunch121807a.jpg



image source: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/timages/page/Skypunch121807b.jpg



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reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 03:03 PM by Pumbaa2314



Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
This picture is actually pretty weird.
The wisps of cloud coming from the center of the hole are quite odd.

Can someone shed some light on how this could be made?




I suppose it could be created by a column of rising air. It would have to be a heck of an updraft!

It looks like the opposite of those lone round clouds that have been photographed.



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reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 03:06 PM by IMAdamnALIEN


Wouldn't a column of rising air leave a messy distorted hole? Whatever force made this left the edges of the hole completely in tact. I would imagine that rising air currents would leave the edges wispy, no?



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reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 03:10 PM by Pumbaa2314



Originally posted by IMAdamnALIEN
Wouldn't a column of rising air leave a messy distorted hole? Whatever force made this left the edges of the hole completely in tact. I would imagine that rising air currents would leave the edges wispy, no?


That is entirely possible. The reason I suggested the rising air is the wispy clouds seen in the hole, possibly at a higher altitude.



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reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 06:22 PM by woodwytch


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Hey there IMAdamnALIEN,

Here's a similar photo that appeared in 'NEW SCIENCE' magazine a few months ago.

It was over the sea not too far from an oil rig. Can't remember the full article but they tried to say it was somehow connected. Never felt like a valid explanation to me but hey ... what do I know ?

atsmedia.cachefly.net...

Woody.



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reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 06:44 PM by eaglewingz


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The accepted theory is that ice crystals falling from a higher altitude form the hole and the wisps below.


A Hole Punch Cloud Over Alabama

A leading hypothesis holds that the hole-punch cloud is caused by falling ice-crystals. The ice-crystals could originate in a higher cloud or be facilitated by a passing airplane exhaust. If the air has just the right temperature and moisture content, the falling crystals will absorb water from the air and grow. For this to happen, the water must be so cold that all it needs is a surface to freeze on. The moisture lost from the air increases the evaporation rate from the cloud water droplets so they dissipate to form the hole. The now heavier ice crystals continue to fall and form the more tenuous wispy cloud-like virga seen inside and just below the hole.



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reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 06:48 PM by W3RLIED2


Or it could be what some of us maybe thinking. A GIANT FRIGGIN UFO!!!!!
i wouldnt rule that one out. But science is far better then my day dreaming speculations.



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reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 07:27 PM by woodwytch


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Hey there W3RLIED2,

Yep ! That's exactly what I was thinking I like your style and subtltey

Woody.



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reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 07:53 PM by bigfatfurrytexan


Have you ever noticed how clouds form along the same types of shapes (fractal) as plasma?

I often notice how the thin, wispy tendrils employ plasma dynamics, and how often clouds will line up in lines and rings.

The wispy clouds in the middle...that is most intriguing.

But being over the ocean...aren't there methane and CO2 "bubbles" that rupture along the Gulf Coast quite a bit? Could one of these be responsible?

Otherwise, i will stick with my "leaky capacitor" theory of planetary science.



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reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 08:01 PM by OzWeatherman


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Those wispy clouds are cirrus clouds. The lower layer of cloud is altocumulus. Altocumulus clouds (made from super cooled water droplets) exist from 8'000ft to around 20,000ft. Cirrus clouds (made from ice crystals) exist above 20,000ft. Due to the size of the cells in the altocumuls layer, I would guess its between 11,000ft and 16,000ft. I think the hole was caused by virga, which is precipitation not reaching the ground. Cirrus clouds very regularly produce virga that can fall thousands of feet but evaporates before it hits the ground. I hope this helps

Great pictures too

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reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 10:31 PM by IMAdamnALIEN


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That photo is almost identical to the hole in the clouds the C2C listener posted!

Wow,
how come we havent seen any of these "holes" in the past?



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reply posted on 19-12-2007 @ 11:02 PM by OzWeatherman


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There has been plenty of holes in the past. I have seen a couple myself, dont know what the big hype is



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reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 08:40 AM by snoopyuk


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i totally agree,
go to any site that has clouds listed by type and you wil see lots of these clouds. i have personally seen them on two occasions here in the UK.

try these sites:

www.ukweatherworld.co.uk...
www.ukweatherworld.co.uk...

earthobservatory.nasa.gov...

thanks

snoopyuk




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reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 08:44 AM by Becker44


It really is an interesting phenomenon.

Here are some more.

wkrg.com...

Becker



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reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 09:00 AM by Lokey13


Anyone ever heard of a tornado, looks like that to me but a much weaker down draft that didn't disturb the clouds edge. Odd but not supernatural.



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reply posted on 20-12-2007 @ 12:42 PM by snoopyuk


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nice one Becker44,

there are some good examples on that site.

thanks

snoopyuk



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