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Tony writes on Nov 5th, 2007 7:51pm
I agree with Mensa0217, Roberts is just a jealous DH. Go to his hangout at the Jref forums and do a search between his name and the name of redibiss and Swing dangler and see how they unmask him as a liar. His followers at the jref claims that he is the expert, ultimate expert on 9/11.
mensa0217 writes on Nov 5th, 2007 7:17pm
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William was a hero on 9/11 and is a hero now. This article obviously biased using the same thing Rodriguez has attacked, hint to the writer, you are quoting Wikipedia! the same thing Rodriguez attacked just a day ago on Radio. Do a test go to Wiki and see that is even locked on his biography as a character assasination.
Mark Roberts? a jealous wannabe who ridesw on Rodriguez's shadow to get recognition? It must be crazy for him (Roberts) that everytime he tries to hurt Rodriguez, William turns around and becomes MORE recognized and gets more invitations from all over the world. In his desperation, Roberts tries to accuse William of being an antisemite when it has been Rodriguez, the person unmasking these people in the movement. Shame on ADL Roberts! Roberts should try a different approach...
Originally posted by Damocles
reply to post by Griff
in all fairness though, would you agree that there is just a "little" difference between cutting a chunk of rebar and cutting through 2"+ thick column that measures several feet in perimeter?
but, the flipside to that is, while someones done a video showing thermite cutting horizontally through rebar, has anyone done a similar experiment using a structural column? that would be interesting to me.
is it so far fetched to look at the eyewitness reports of "explosions" on 911 and consider it as a possibility that the people there did NOT hear bombs, but simply heard loud noises?
cuz outside the building demo business, military or bomb squad...how many avg people, or even above avg people that are in law enforcement and Fire services have a real live basis for comparison?
Griff, i honestly hope you dont feel like im picking on you or trying to start anything. i just know that if i discuss points that you raise i can count on a mature discussion, so thanks
Originally posted by Lokey13
Um didn't the president already admit to the people that explosives were used? I remember seeing a thread about that, anyone know if thats right or not? Cause if it is delete this thread.
Originally posted by Calcas
And, he normally posts at the JREF forum under the name "Gravy." Feel free to come on over and debate anything related to 9-11 there with the best 9-11 debunkers anywhere. I dare you.
vitriolic - harsh or corrosive in tone;
Originally posted by Griff
In all fairness yes. But, it doesn't take a lot of imagination to extrapolate that into something that could do the job IMO. That is not a jab at you or your imagination.
I think I might start a little project to dispell this one way or the other. I'm surprised Dr. Jones hasn't done this yet.
It's not far fetched at all and I never said it was.
Let me ask.
We had plenty of reports of explosions. Why didn't they at least do some investigating during their "investigation" to make sure that there were no bombs? One would think a thorough investigation (especially in leu of plenty of reports of bombs, explosions etc.) would have checked....just in case?
Well, I'm quite sure firemen hear electrical explosions all the time and would have a pretty good basis. No?
I would never think that. I like the fact that we don't agree but are mature enough to discuss our thoughts without having to worry about getting blasted. Cheers my friend.
Originally posted by Soloist
It is clear as a bell, you cannot have one without the other, a plane hit which caused the fires, period.
Originally posted by bovarcher
You have obviously not read or studied the NIST report. The report describes in detail the effect the impact of the planes had on the collapse of the building, the exact opposite of your above proclamation.
The early news reports noted how well the towers withstood the initial impact of the aircraft; however, when one recognizes that the buildings had more than 1,000 times the mass of the aircraft and had been designed to resist steady wind loads of 30 times the weight of the aircraft, this ability to withstand the initial impact is hardly surprising. Furthermore, since there was no significant wind on September 11, the outer perimeter columns were only stressed before the impact to around 1/3 of their 200 MPa design allowable.
Originally posted by Damocles
heh, my imagination is at times too vivid, which is why while i could envision thermite/mate cutting a column, id rather see it to know.
if you have the resources to set up this little experiment, then by ALL means. sadly all i can offer is encouragement. but it would be one way to separate the open minded from the "faithful" becuase even the skeptics would have to admit then it was at the very least "plausible" though the flip side is that even if it didnt work there would be those that would cry "well, the govt has more resources than you do so this doenst prove it COULDNT happen..."
oh, and you know what i think of jone's methods. maybe its the lack of sleep but it wouldnt suprise me at all to find that jones HAS done this experiment but it didnt produce the desired result so he just didnt tell anyone. not saying he did, just that it wouldnt suprise me. but thats just me.
ya know, thats a great point and one ive never fully understood myself. but in my own defense, ive never said i bought the official story 100%, just that given all the possible options, it seems the most likely to me based on my own knowledge and experience.
oh most certainly. ive never discounted that people heard "explosions" just that nothing ive been able to find lead me to believe that those explosions were from high explosive devices.
and if a fireman says he heard "what sounded like a transformer blowing" id accept that it was a transformer blowing. but if a fireman heard the sound of a building letting go above him and he told people "i heard this sound like steel weld joints breaking" people would look at him with blank stares where if he said " i heard this sound, like an explosion" they'd know it was a really loud booming sound, but then sadly most of these people would then assume the fireman was saying there was a bomb in the building.
did that make any sense or do i really need to go get some sleep finally?
Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Griff..they were not looking to take EVERY piece of steel away. Only pieces that were NEAR the impact areas.
Originally posted by Griff
I think I heard that the loss of 5 floors would be enough to buckle the columns and start the failure.
Just another possibility IMO.
At room temperature, global instability of the intact tower occurs when five floors are removed from the tower model. At column temperatures of 600ºC, the removal of four floors induces global instability.
Originally posted by ipsedixit
Anyone with an ounce of common sense in their head knows that there could never be a symetrical to-the-ground collapse from that height without explosive assistance.
As soon as the top portion of each tower leaned one millimeter (and they leaned a lot more than that) an asymetricality was introduced that would progressively shear the collapsing zone away from the zone below and halt the collapse at some point far above ground level.
Originally posted by syrinx high priest
and of all the firefighters, police officers, medical workers and family members directly effected by the tragedy, not one of them has ever challenged the official story,