the shanksville incident flight 93

Is light 800 still an open criminal investigation?

Originally posted by snoopy
Is light 800 still an open criminal investigation?

No. Are all the 9/11 scenes still an open investigation? Its been 6 years.

The FBI was done with the Pentagon crime scene in 5 days.

[edit on 3-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by snoopy
This wasn't an aircraft crash, it's a (and still IS) a criminal investigation. So please tell us what FBI investigations you have all the paperwork and information from.

Well for 1 the FBI finished the Pentagon crime scene in 5 days. Why are the reports not being released under FOIA request?

[edit on 3-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

You are wrong again, ULTIMA1.

The FBI investigation was not finished in 5 days. As a matter of fact, it was still ongoing when thie following article was written June 14th, 2004:

www.washingtonpost.com...

"Hamlan's identification, which has not been revealed previously, is one of numerous discoveries made over the past 33 months by PENTTBOM, the FBI's sprawling investigation into the Sept. 11 attacks. "

Please don't state lies as facts, is you dont know what you are talking about.

Originally posted by Disclosed

You are wrong again, ULTIMA1.

The FBI investigation was not finished in 5 days. As a matter of fact, it was still ongoing when thie following article was written June 14th, 2004:

Its so fun and easy to prove you wrong since you do not do research. Can you do simple math?

The FBI took over the crime scene officially on September 21, They turned the scene back over to the military on September 26. If my math is correct that 5 days the FBI actaully worked on the crime scene.

www.defenselink.mil...

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 -- The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them.



WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon. MDW will oversee ongoing security operations around the damaged area of the building. FBI investigators will move their operations to the Pentagon's north parking lot and continue to sift through debris for more evidence.

[edit on 3-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Umm...ULTIMA1,

Did you even bother to look at my link? Probably not, since it proves you wrong. Please at least TRY to do some research before lying to everyone here.

www.9-11commission.gov...


Opening statement, to 911 commission on June 16th, 2004. Page 3 of his statement:

"As a result of the ONGOING PENTTBOM INVESTIGATION....."

Ongoing, as in the FBI investigation was still open.

Originally posted by Disclosed
Ongoing, as in the FBI investigation was still open.

Please read the following lines, It states that the FBI was done with the Pentagon crime scene on September 26.

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon.

[edit on 3-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

originally posted by Ultima 1
Please read the following lines, It states that the FBI was done with the Pentagon crime scene on September 26.

So are you stating that when an investigative body leaves the crime scene the investigation is over?

Originally posted by Boone 870
So are you stating that when an investigative body leaves the crime scene the investigation is over?

Please do not be so immature as to try to put words in my mouth.

Its been 6 years. We should be able to have access to the crime scene reports, if they are still working on it or not.

Also the FBI reports were not used in trial so they cannnot use that as an excuse. If there is no national security reason for them to be withheld we should have access to them.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Disclosed
Ongoing, as in the FBI investigation was still open.

Please read the following lines, It states that the FBI was done with the Pentagon crime scene on September 26.

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.]

ULTIMA1,

Please re-read my post again....you obviously are not. It is a link to the 12th 911commission hearing, in 2004...Mr. James N. Fitzgerald of the FBI speaking.

He said the investigation was ongoing....

Are you telling everyone here that the FBI was lying to the 911 commission in 2004 when they stated the investigation was ongoing?




[edit on 3-11-2007 by Disclosed]

Originally posted by Disclosed
Are you telling everyone here that the FBI was lying to the 911 commission in 2004 when they stated the investigation was ongoing?

No, i am stating that now it is 2007. Also stating the FBI finished the crime scene at the Pentagon in 5 days. Its been 6 years and there should be no reason for anoyone (specially family members) not to be able to have FOIA access to any of the FBi reports.

The FBI reports were not used at trial so they cannot use the excuse they were withholding them for trial now.



[edit on 3-11-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Its 2007? really?

The 911 commission statement I mentioned was in 2004....why even state it is now 2007?

Originally posted by Disclosed
The 911 commission statement I mentioned was in 2004....why even state it is now 2007?

Because the statement you posted was from 2004, if you do the math that means it was 3 years ago. Do you have any recent (2007) statements that say the investigations are still ongoing.

Maybe you can also show the FOIA exemption that states the FBI cannot release the videos?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Disclosed
The 911 commission statement I mentioned was in 2004....why even state it is now 2007?

Because the statement you posted was from 2004, if you do the math that means it was 3 years ago. Do you have any recent (2007) statements that say the investigations are still ongoing.

Well...they apparently were still ongoing in 2004. You stated that they had ended their investigation 5 days after 9/11. You were obviously mistaken. That is, unless you are stating that the FBI lied to the 911 commission in 2004 when it said it was still an ongoing investigation.

Originally posted by Disclosed You stated that they had ended their investigation 5 days after 9/11. You were obviously mistaken.

You might want to read my statements before commenting on them.

I stated the FBI finished the Pentagon crime scene in 5 days. They officially took over the scene on September 21, they turned the scene back over to the military on September 26.

Please answer the question. What FOIA exemption excludes the videos that were confiscated from being released?

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ULTIMA1,

The investigation was still ongoing in 2004. I dont know how much clearer I can state that. The FBI stated, before the commitee, the investigation was still ongoing....4 years later.

4 years is longer than 5 days.

Are you stating that 4 years is NOT longer than 5 days?!?

Originally posted by Disclosed
The investigation was still ongoing in 2004.

Yes the investigation was ongoing in 2004, BUT is it still ongoing now in 2007, YES or NO ?

What do you not understand about the fact that the Pentagon crime scene was over in 5 days?

Why wont you answer the question about the FOIA exemption?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Disclosed
The investigation was still ongoing in 2004.

Yes the investigation was ongoing in 2004, BUT is it still ongoing now in 2007, YES or NO ?

What do you not understand about the fact that the Pentagon crime scene was over in 5 days?

Why wont you answer the question about the FOIA exemption?

Umm...You say the investigation was ongoing in 2004 in one sentence, and it was over in 5 days in another. Which is it? ongoing in 2004 , or over in 5 days?

Originally posted by Disclosed
Umm...You say the investigation was ongoing in 2004 in one sentence, and it was over in 5 days in another. Which is it? ongoing in 2004 , or over in 5 days?

I will try to make this as simple as i can.

1. The 9/11 investigation was ongoing in 2004. (but you will not answer if its ongoing in 2007)

2. The Pentagon crime scene was over in 5 days.

Now can you understand that?

ULTIMA1

You have been asked this before, but you failed to answer. So I'll ask you again, what exactly is your point? What are your beliefs about what happened during the Flight 93 incident on 9/11?

You make plenty of ambiguous implications, but you seem quite reluctant to come out and be direct. For a debate to be constructive all parties must be up front and honest about what it is they are arguing.

If you can't answer those questions directly and unambiguously then you are running this thread on a wild goose chase and wasting people's time and energy on counter-productive fallacies when people could be spending their energy debating constructively. Whenever somebody does try to address the debate constructively, you attack them with your inanities, so please do tell us exactly what you are trying to achieve?

You make implications and then accuse people of putting words in your mouth when they address those implications. It seems like you want to make a point but you don't want to directly associate your self with that point. To me that's very telling of somebody who knows their argument is false. You seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing rather than contributing a debate that can actually get us anywhere.



I suggest nobody reply to ULTIMA1 further until he directly addresses the questions asked. He has clearly proven him self to be uninterested in the truth or any form of constructive debate, so at the moment it is a waste of time acknowledging his posts because he's just running around in circles. I'm afraid one of us that would get punished or banned sooner than him. So as tempting as it is to show him to be the fool, I think we should resist the temptation to further succumb to his immaturity, at least in this thread. We gain nothing by talking to a brick wall.

Originally posted by monoclearYou have been asked this before, but you failed to answer. So I'll ask you again, what exactly is your point? What are your beliefs about what happened during the Flight 93 incident on 9/11?

I unlike most others on here do not claim to know what happened that day, thats why i am doing research to find out.

I will say from the evidence we have now, i would say that Flight 93 was shot down.