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Originally posted by wildcat
Is all this plagiarism of other culture's religion a lie, or fact.
I certainly would like to believe it's a lie. I would because it seems unlikely that several different races all believed in a prophet, who has the same characteristics as all the other ones.
Originally posted by KINGOFPAIN
well... the movie was pretty much on point... i remember once being told.. "the most dangerous thing for any christian to do is dtudy the origins of it's religion"
and that is oh...so... true!
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I think it's probably 90% true. And the other 10% can't be proven either way.
Religion is a story. It's a nice, helpful-to-some story.
Originally posted by runetang
I understand the bible is just a book, but for Christians, it is the center piece of their religion.
For without it, they'd have no written history, nor any kept customs, and all would be forgotten or warped even worse by verbal passing.
But theres plenty of things in the Bible I can tell you are flat out incorrect and wrong, even to God IMHO, and were put in there by some authors who were just a tad bit misguided in one respect or another.
These same books and verses always seem to be the most quoted when quotes are used against the bible containing any validity or truth to it.
Originally posted by Byrd
Although I'm pagan and believe that Jesus was not a historical figure, I do want to set the record straight. There's actually no correlation between Horus and Jesus.
For reference, here's a summary of the oldest account of the birth of Horus:
1. Horus born of a virgin. Jesus born of a virgin.
In fact, Horus was born to a goddess married to another god (Isis, married to Osiris.)
2. The foster father of Horus was Seb or Seph. Jesus was fostered by Joseph.
Heru/Horus didn't have a foster-father
3. Horus was of royal descent. Jesus was of royal descent.
Horus was the son of the first gods. Not royalty.
4. Horus birth accompanied by three solar deities [star gazers] who followed by the morning star of Sirius bearing gifts. Jesus birth accompanied by three wise men [Zoroastrian star gazers] who followed by a star “in the east” bearing gifts.
Not according to the Delta Cycle (oldest complete texts of the Horus myth.
5. The birth of Horus announced by angels. The birth of Jesus announced by angels.
Hardly. Isis gave birth to him in secret (see the above pages)
6. Herut tried to murder the infant Horus. Herod slaughtered every first born in an attempt to kill Jesus the forthcoming messiah.
Set and his minions, the snakes, tried to murder Horus from the time he was born until he was grown. (BTW, the "slaughter of the innocents" never happened. There's no graveyards full of Jewish male infants killed at the same time period in either reign of Herod, and no legal records of this and no revolts associated with it.)
7. Horus is baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser at a river. Jesus is baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist at a river.
Horus took his place as an adult as soon as he was able. Baptism is a Christian tradition... Egyptians had no such tradition.
8. Horus resists temptation by the evil Sut [Sut was to be the precursor for the Hebrew Satan] on a high mountain. Jesus resists temptation by Satan on a high mountain.
Oh dearie dear. How shall I put this one... hmmm... They have a big battle (several) and then (depending on the text) Horus seduces Set or Set seduces Horus (yes, homosexuality among the gods.) Isis puts Set's semen on lettuce which is then fed to Set (by Horus) and Set becomes pregnant by Horus.
That's kind of the extreme Readers' Digest version. I suggest looking up the longer version.
9. Horus had 12 followers. Jesus had 12 disciples.
Horus was a god (and one of the oldest) and had millions of followers.
10. Horus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water. Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.
Horus was never invoked to heal the sick, nor did he heal the sick. He flew... he didn't walk on water.
11. Horus raised someone from the grave [his father Osiris] Jesus raised Lazarus [notice the name similarity] from the grave. Lazarus is short for Elasarus - the “us” on the end is romanized. Elasarus was derived from “El-Asar” which was the name given to Osiris.
Oyyyyyyyyy. Actually, it was Isis who ressurected Osiris. Horus avenged him:
12. Horus was buried and resurrected in the city of Anu. The place Bethany mentioned in John was a derivative of the words “Bet” and “Anu” which translates “the house of Anu”. The ‘y’ on the end of bethany is interchangeable with the letter ‘u’.
Newsflash: Horus isn't dead.
13. Horus was killed by crucifixtion. Jesus was crucified.
14. Horus was accompanied by two thieves at the crucifixtion. Jesus was crucified with two thieves.
15. Horus was buried in a tomb at Anu. Jesus was buried in a tomb located in Bethany [Bet-Anu].
16. Horus was resurrected after 3 days. Jesus was “said” to resurrected after over a period of three days.
See above. Horus never died.
17. The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women. The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.
18. Horus was given the titel KRST which means “anointed one” Jesus was given the title Christ [Christos] meaning “anointed one”
I'm sort of speechless at that one. But... no.
Sorry to be so rough on the material, but it really is invented scholarship.
The Romans did adopt and blend the myths of Mary and of Isis, and there's some similarities between them:
So... bottom line... although I'm sympatheti cto the claim of Jesus as being strictly a mythic figure, the parallels between Jesus and Horus were invented (shamefully) by someone in the late 20th century and should not be taken seriously.
Remember: Always go to the Original Sources on the documents.
[edit on 7-7-2007 by Byrd]