Utah Mine collapse? What's with the owner?

Originally posted by basecamp1
I live in Salt Lake, and I believe it was an earthquake. Senator Orrin Hatch and Congressman Matheson have been fighting the test firing of some sort of new secret weapon. Rumor here is that Utahn's are getting the shaft again from the Federal government, and that the cause of the mine accident was the testing of this very weapon at the Dugway Proving Grounds.

You make an interesting point and it is something I hadn't considered before you mentioned it. Smirkley was following DIVINE STRAKE and the REAL intent behind it for quite some time. I would NOT put it past the feds to do something like this - they have done it to us here in the West before.

Thanks for posting this alternative theory to the earthquake vs. mine collapse debate.


B.

Originally posted by basecamp1
I live in Salt Lake, and I believe it was an earthquake. Senator Orrin Hatch and Congressman Matheson have been fighting the test firing of some sort of new secret weapon. Rumor here is that Utahn's are getting the shaft again from the Federal government, and that the cause of the mine accident was the testing of this very weapon at the Dugway Proving Grounds.


. These reports state that this massive explosion was first detected by Russia's Cosmos-2422 HEO (highly-elliptical orbit) satellite, (which is designed for the detection of American ballistic missiles) at 08:48:40 UTC August 6 at the US Dugway Proving Ground Test Range in Utah, and which exactly corresponds to the time of a reported 3.9 Magnitude Earthquake occurring at the exact same location."

im from salt lake as well and i think you may be mistaken. the dugway proving grounds is a few hundred miles north and a couple hundred miles west of the mine site. and if there was a test out at dugway why wouldnt there be any effects on the wasatch fault which is ALOT closer to the proving grounds and is a more active fault than the small secondary fault lines in central utah.
also why wern't there any reports at ANY other mines ? heres a list of mines that are very close to dugway.. some of them even say dugway

Ahlstrom Mine Tooele 402050N - 1123612W Johnson Pass
Alvarado Mine Tooele 401013N - 1134839W Gold Hill
Bar X Mine Tooele 395454N - 1124338W Indian Springs
Ben Harrison Mine Tooele 402759N - 1121942W Stockton
Bingham West Dip Tunnel Tooele 403309N - 1121156W Bingham Canyon
Calumet Mine Tooele 402655N - 1121949W Stockton
Cannon Mine Tooele 395917N - 1131324W Dugway Range NW
Chloride Point Mine Tooele 402115N - 1121427W Mercur
Clay Mine Tooele 401534N - 1121206W Mercur
Clinger Mine Tooele 395807N - 1123338W Erickson Knoll
Copper Jack Mine Tooele 395440N - 1123031W Erickson Knoll
Dewey Mine Tooele 400246N - 1135401W Ibapah
Dragon Mine Tooele 403141N - 1123554W North Willow Canyon
Eagles Nest Mine Tooele 395611N - 1134939W Goshute Canyon
Flying Dutchman Mine Tooele 395510N - 1123103W Erickson Knoll
Four Metal Mine Tooele 395952N - 1131106W Dugway Range NW
Garrison Mines Tooele 401441N - 1135005W Gold Hill
Geyser-Marion Mine Tooele 401919N - 1121243W Mercur
Golden Gate Mine Tooele 401921N - 1121234W Mercur
Hidden Treasure Mine Tooele 402317N - 1121616W Stockton
Hilltop Mine Tooele 395823N - 1123138W Erickson Knoll
Honerine Mine Tooele 402730N - 1122025W Stockton
Marblehead Quarry Tooele 405321N - 1125039W Craner Peak
Metal Queen Mine Tooele 403037N - 1123557W North Willow Canyon
Midas Mine Tooele 400408N - 1134821W Clifton
Monarch Mine Tooele 403125N - 1123558W North Willow Canyon
Monarch Mine Tooele 405540N - 1125002W Craner Peak
Monocco Mine Tooele 400531N - 1134901W Clifton
Montana Mine Tooele 402228N - 1121541W Ophir
Monte Carlo Mine Tooele 403833N - 1123551W Flux
New Bullion Mine Tooele 400008N - 1121257W Boulter Peak
Oro del Rey Mine Tooele 395524N - 1135011W Goshute Canyon
Queen of the Hills Mine Tooele 402306N - 1121658W Stockton
Rainbow Mines Tooele 395928N - 1131045W Dugway Range NW
Rose Mine Tooele 403249N - 1123557W North Willow Canyon
Rube Mine Tooele 401053N - 1134834W Gold Hill
Sacramento Mine Tooele 401843N - 1121253W Mercur
Scranton Mine Tooele 400306N - 1121156W Boulter Peak
Silver Drum Mine Tooele 402919N - 1123556W Deseret Peak East
Silver Hill Mine Tooele 401303N - 1135018W Gold Hill
Stardust Mine Tooele 401127N - 1135106W Gold Hill
Third Term Mine Tooele 403029N - 1123557W North Willow Canyon
Timm Mine Tooele Gold Hill
Tip Top Mine Tooele Stockton
United States Mine Tooele Gold Hill
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They just got a microphone down to where they believe they are and don't hear anything.

It doesn't look good.

*BREAKING NEWS*

The other hole has entered and they were supposed to have a news conference over an hour ago. It has been postponed indefinetly.

They have seen a lot of action so something is going on. They are talking to the families right now.

To me the owner seemed a bit chippy when he talked breifly to the media earlier after the second drill bit enetered so maybe they are alive. The are inserting or already inserted the camera right now into the 9 inch drill hole.

You may call me crazy if you wish, but i am remembering something i read around here, or perhaps on Tinwiki, regarding an incident in a coal mine in the 1900's.

What i read was that the miners were also using this "retreat" mining technique, and when they entered the mine again to get the coal, they found what was a large cavern. Here's the cincher: The cavern had cement blocks in it. Big, shiny, cement blocks. When they hit a wall of the cavern with a pickaxe, it fell down revealing a whole wall made of cement blocks. When they went back the next day, however, after reporting this to thier supervisor, that section of the mine was sealed off and they were told not to speak of it.

Forgive me if i butchered the story, but thats as well as i can recall it. My paranoid and iquisitive mind wonders: Could this be a similiar occurence, perhaps? How often have miners found such things only to be killed in a "mine collapse". Just my wonderings >.>

They just had a new update about the cameras, still no word on if they have survived.

Seems water blurred the horizontal camera so they are going to case the 9 inch hole and retry.

However they did bang on the drill bore steel and there was no response.
They say there is survivable air and more than 5 feet of clearance from the ceiling..

I'll be very surprised if they find anyone alive down there. It doesn't sound like they'll even be able to get to the area for at least another week to me (and I think that's being optimistic).

Oh, and yeah, that mine owner guy is creepy!

Apparently they heard some vibrating from the third hole, but it wasn't necessarily made by the miners.

I still think that even if they survived the initial collapse, they must be gone by now.

I think they may be alive. I have that feeling.

That tapping they heard was a timed tapping- not clinging and rocks falling.
Debris doesnt fall in a timed way.

I sure hope its them sending a signal!

This whole thing just breaks the heart.

My dad was a miner when he was young and we've been watching this over the last week. We got talking about the geophone vibrations tonight and he is of the opinion that it is the ground continuing to settle after the initial collapse - that if it was the miners there would be a distinct pattern to the vibration. I asked him if he thought they were still alive. He told me that his gut told him that they died during the initial collapse, but if somehow they did survive it that they could live down there for a few weeks because of all the water. He's quite torked about the mine operation down there and believes that not only were they retreat mining but that they did it in a half arsed way in pulling down one side first causing the other sidel wall to blow in sideways.

My hope remains that they are alive and that they can hold on a day or two longer.


B.

The owner/CEO/whatever talks to squirrels!!!

I just found this:

The way Murray tells it, he had just been let go in 1987 as CEO of North American Coal Company and was feeling extremely down about the whole situation. At home one day, Murray was sitting on his back porch, contemplating his future, when he was approached by a squirrel. Murray says the squirrel hopped up next to him, looked him square in the eye and said "Bob Murray, you should be operating your very own mines." Unfortunately for UMWA miners, this seemingly intelligent rodent wasn't too keen on fairness, so it neglected to add the words "and make sure you treat your workers the way you would want to be treated."

www.umwa.org...

Wow, this is funny if true. I wouldn't take anything he says seriously anymore.

Of course this is from a union with a grudge against him, so it might be a lie to make him look bad.

[edit on 8/15/2007 by djohnsto77]

Djohn, why are you being so hard on that man? He talks to squirrels like The Old Man and the Sea talked to fish. He's not weird or out of his mind, he seems genuinely concerned for those men.
He probably hasnt slept in 10 days now.
Have a heart.

Originally posted by dgtempe
He probably hasnt slept in 10 days now.
Have a heart.

The alleged squirrel incident happened like 20 years ago.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
The owner/CEO/whatever talks to squirrels!!!

I just found this:

The way Murray tells it, he had just been let go in 1987 as CEO of North American Coal Company and was feeling extremely down about the whole situation. At home one day, Murray was sitting on his back porch, contemplating his future, when he was approached by a squirrel. Murray says the squirrel hopped up next to him, looked him square in the eye and said "Bob Murray, you should be operating your very own mines." Unfortunately for UMWA miners, this seemingly intelligent rodent wasn't too keen on fairness, so it neglected to add the words "and make sure you treat your workers the way you would want to be treated."

www.umwa.org...

Wow, this is funny if true. I wouldn't take anything he says seriously anymore.

Of course this is from a union with a grudge against him, so it might be a lie to make him look bad.

[edit on 8/15/2007 by djohnsto77]

Is he a Mormon? Seriously, considering the mode of information.

[edit on 16-8-2007 by SourGrapes]

Like people dont talk to dogs, cats, horses and to themselves all the time!



That's a silly article on the man.

it's been like 11 days now...those dudes are dead.
i know nothing about mining obviously but it seem that more could have been done...i don't know...

they're digging all these holes and doing oxygen tests....all that takes time.

when they explained how big of an area they could be in, i couldn't believe it..i was thinking of a little pocket but these miner dudes are talking hundreds of feet long and a couple hundo wide....now what gets me, is they drop this camera in the hole and i am watching it and you can see like what, 10 feet in front of the lens.

what the hell good is a 10 foot vantage point going to do?

it's really sad...

The sixth hole revealed no open space at all:



It looks to me like that mine will be those six men's permanent grave.

[edit on 8/25/2007 by djohnsto77]

Thats a bummer, I was really hoping for one of those miracle rescues.

RIP