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And so it was that Mary Magdalene and Jesus’ children were literally the uniting of Judah and Israel, once again. In this way, their children, if known, would have been used to rally the Jewish people into a rebellion for freedom from Rome...
...Jesus was aware that Rome would be looking for Mary and their children, thus together, they agreed that Mary should take Tamar to Gaul for safety in 44 A. D. It was the last time they would see each other in physical bodies.
sense Jesus was man, it's man's natural instinct to reproduce.
This is what Darwin called Survival of the Fittest or Natural Selection. Those individuals with slightly better adaptations, according to the theory, would get more food, be healthier, live longer and, most importantly, have more mates. As time progresses, traits become more obvious, therefore later generations will be more defined and, possibly after thousands of generations, form a new species.
Originally posted by galm 1
It is true that many men that have reached Jesus's age have not reproduced yet. If you go by Darwin's theory, Survival of the Fittest...
Non sequitur is Latin for "it does not follow." In formal logic, an argument is a non sequitur if its conclusion does not follow from its premises. In a non sequitur, the conclusion can be either true or false, but the argument is a fallacy because the conclusion does not follow from the premise.
we took a detour through the New Testament teachings about Jesus. There we discovered that the Jesus of the New Testament is both fully human and fully divine, but that He is only one person. The properties of both natures (human and divine) are evident in the person, each according to its respective nature.
Three factors are particularly relevant.
First, getting married and begetting children are human activities. Since Jesus was truly and completely human, He was certainly capable of marrying and, for that matter, of having children. This may seem surprising to those who have not thought much about the humanity of Jesus. If we think about Jesus’ incarnation, however, we will also be surprised that He could be wrapped in swaddling clothes. We will be surprised that He would have to eat and sleep. Devout Christians have always stood astonished before these facts, but they have always admitted them. We ought to be surprised that Jesus Christ would be able to marry and to beget children. Our surprise, however, should not turn into denial. Jesus’ full masculinity is a necessary consequence of His complete human nature.
Second, the Bible teaches that marriage, sexual relations, and having children are good and pure activities. Marriage was instituted by God Himself, before sin was in the world. Part of His original design in creation was for human beings to “be fruitful and multiply,” and humans have never multiplied by sprouting in cabbage patches. Sex was part of God’s perfect plan for humanity. In the beginning God made humans as male and female. In spite of all the wrong things that can be done with human sexuality, Hebrews 13:4 bluntly declares that marriage is honorable and the bed (a metaphor for sexual relations within marriage) is undefiled. Writing to the Corinthians, Paul teaches that husbands and wives owe sexual intimacy to one another. According to the Bible, human sexuality is holy and good within the marriage covenant. If Jesus had chosen to marry and to have children, He would have been doing nothing sinful per se. A Jesus who married and fathered children would have been morally permissible.
A third factor helps to answer these questions. Jesus is a theanthropic person. In other words, He has a complete human nature and a complete divine nature, united into a single personality. Each nature displays its attributes in the person, but not in the other nature.
Originally posted by galm 1
What it is saying is that if Jesus was perfect, how come he didn't follow human nature? We're not perfect... So that explains why many men that reached Jesus's age have not reproduced... but what about Jesus... he was Perfect.
Joseph Joubert said...
"It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it."
What debate? I feel bad for galm 1 getting stuck with the position he did, but he obviously didn't do any research, and if he had, he could have made an argument. You don't have to believe in your position to win, you just have to raise the possibility. By the way, large copy and paste jobs are not research. That should be against the rules.
discomfit clearly wins.
- This was a disappointing debate. I personally do not blame discomfit for that, as he did not have an opponent that was willing to properly combat him. I expect big things from discomfit in later rounds when facing a worthy adversary.
While I do fault galm 1 a bit, it is unfortunate that he was put on the short end of the stick, with a side that he did not support himself. But the mark of a true debater is being able to create a valid argument for any stance.