I have an idea to solve the NWO and Illuminati problem

I was married to a victim of Satanic Ritual Abuse.

She was a Multiple Personality.

As I suggested, read the story of "Svali"

They ARE everywhere, CIA, FBI, NEA, ACLU, The Military, Federal, State and Local Governments, the Federal Reserve, The World Bank, The UN, the EU, most Colleges and Universities and of course the Media and Hollywood.

The coming North American Union?

Look at the source of "Political Correctness" and other Marxist "tools".

Do you think "they" are going to take out a front page ad in the New York Times....telling the whole world about their plans???

Your reaction is exactly what they expect....they know that the vast majority of people would think it perposterous and unimaginable for a secret underground organization to have so much power and influence and still be secret

Here is a cut and paste from this forum -

www.abovetopsecret.com...

"It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am."
-George Washington, 1782

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
-Benjamin Disraeli, 1844

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
-Woodrow Wilson, 1913

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
-Woodrow Wilson, 1916

"From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played a definitely recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century, and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads, and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
-Winston Churchill, 1920

"The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses. This little coterie run our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen, seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies, schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.”
-N.Y. Mayor, John Hylan, 1922

"Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people… outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded and is sure that it is the winning side. All the strange developments in the foreign policy agreements may be traced to this group who are going to make us over to suit their pleasure. This political action group has its own local political support organizations, its own pressure groups, its own vested interests, its foothold within our government, and its own propaganda apparatus."
-Senator William Jenner, 1954

"The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It financed Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Zionism, Socialism. All of these are directed to making the United States a member of a World Government."
-American Mercury Magazine, 1957

"The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for "the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government."
-Harpers, July l958

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system ,they will rule the future."
-U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater, l964

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds' central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups."
-Professor Carroll Quigley, 1966

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
-Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

"George Bush has been surrounding himself with people who believe in one-world government. They believe that the Soviet system and the American system are converging. The vehicle to bring this about, is the United Nations, the majority of whose 166 member states are socialist, atheist, and anti-American."
-U.S. Ambassador David Funderburk, 1991

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
-David Rockefeller, 1991

"It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance."
-George Bush, 1992

"[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it's perceptions."
-Henry Kissinger, 1994

"Some even believe we (Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
-David Rockefeller, in 2002 autobiography

[edit on 27-6-2007 by JFree]

I'm sorry but this is a really stupid idea, because the NWO is not a group.

NWO = New World Order

Key word is Order. Its not a group, its a plan of action, a command. "I ORDER YOU!"

It is a very very common misconception on this forum that NWO is a group, because when you type N.W.O. it just sounds like a group, but its NOT. The New World Order, is a real plan of action being carried out by the elite groups like Illuminati, and other various people (Bush), to turn the world into a One World Government. The scary part about the NWO, is that it is undestructable, because it does not 'physicaly' exist. You can not destroy an idea, or an agenda, or plan of action really, because its held in the minds of many. You can destroy those minds, but the idea, and the plan will still exist some where else. Its like a ghost....

well good job, now its too late, see theres a reason there winning..they do things in secret, and over time. Where as you all sit and speak openly like idiots. Think about it.

Too bad that the "Illuminati" and the "NWO" are the same people.

Originally posted by mastermind77
well good job, now its too late, see theres a reason there winning..they do things in secret, and over time. Where as you all sit and speak openly like idiots. Think about it.

oh yea, and what are we supposed to say to those people who think we are crazy? Only the open minded, and those who have a large perception of the world can see it clearly. and it takes time to actually beieive in this sort of thing. its almost mindboggeling, so you cant blatently say that everyone is aware of this Illuminait, cuz there are many who arent familiar with it at all.

I agree with Ickey. The only thing uniting the super elite is common interests (accumulation and preservation of power). The extremely wealthy have always controlled the world. They never needed a plan. If we are being shackled in a new society of control today, we can blame the less wealthy classes for their complacency in the face of the elite, which has always been in charge.

The less people get involved democratically, the less people take charge of their society, the deeper we sink back into the past, towards the centralized aristocracies of every society that preceded ours. That's what's going on today, but it's not because of the Illuminati. We're doing it to ourselves.

There is no need to resort to a worldwide, unified network of conspirators to explain the fact that the wealthy rule the world. They always have. They are motivated not by evil or satanism but by self-interest, just like any other class.

Originally posted by JFree

Your reaction is exactly what they expect....they know that the vast majority of people would think it perposterous and unimaginable for a secret underground organization to have so much power and influence and still be secret

But they are not secret! They are banking families, operating out in the open. I mean, look at that Rockefeller quote: he says it plainly. But because their organizations are not publicly funded, they have no obligation to reveal any information. Their plan is no more a conspiracy than are the interests of the middle class, or of the working class.

I think the conspiratorial mist that covers these guys is due to the fact that they transcend national borders. Nothing more. There is no worldwide conspiracy; just a super-elite with specific, undisclosed-yet-obvious interests. A class; not a cult.

(edited for typo)

[edit on 27-6-2007 by cambrian77]

To each his own....



The Illuminati exists for one purpose - to prepare the world for the Anti-Christ.

Originally posted by JFree
To each his own....



The Illuminati exists for one purpose - to prepare the world for the Anti-Christ.

And thats where the fun really begins......

But i thought taht the Illuminati wanted to rule the world forever, instead of waiting for the Anti Chirst, or even paving the way for him.

Originally posted by JFree

The coming North American Union?

I really dont think that one will go through with out a huge fight. i saw today that the publics approval rating of congress just came in below last months poll, Bush is in deep kimshi. Government is scared of we the people right now i think. If these stains dont get things moveing in the right direction, and do try and sneak this union in, the people I hope and pray will finally stand up and say enough is enough. Come on all NAFTA did was allow thier trucks into our country but our trucks cant go to thier country. I have long haul truckers dropping trailers off all the time telling me how NAFTA helped them out. they hate it with passions man i tell you. Anyway I hope this North American Union gets crapped on by the will of the people.

I cant wait to see the reaction if it ever does get proposed. Hold your hats peeps.

"According to the June 11-14, 2007, survey, 24% of Americans approve and 71% disapprove of the way Congress is handling its job." Gallop Poll

www.galluppoll.com...


the prez is no better,

"The latest results show only 36% of those polled saying they "approve" of the way Bush is handling his job. Bush's previous low was 37%, set last November." USATODAY

www.usatoday.com...






[edit on 27-6-2007 by geemony]

I think the Illuminati is real, but to figure some of it out could be real tricky, i think money is the primary factor for both the Illuminati and smaller ran groups that use Illuminati techniques however in both cases these organizations/groups will go to many means to accomplish there goals from mind control to black magic to black mail whatever.


I think one of there goals is to turn us all into mindless robots who will simply conform and allow this one world government to take shape, as long as we speak out about it were letting them know that at the very least were aware of it and maybe more.

Use the historical analytical method to analyse the claims of illuminati propagandists.

See:
academic.bowdoin.edu...


Illuminati propaganda is nothing but complete bullocks.

That will be clear if you use the historical analytical method.

If you do not use the historical analytical method, nothing will be clear.

Originally posted by Ickey
I have an idea to solve the NWO and Illuminati problem.

Since we do not like these two groups, why not set the NWO group against the Illuminati group and let the two groups finish each other off? This way, we can kill two birds with one stone.

I think that it is an idea that can work. Why do you guys think?

I came up with this solution while studying Britain's efforts to set the Nazis against the Bolsheviks during the 1930s.


And by this date, certain members of the Milner Group and of the British Conservative government had reached the fantastic idea that they could kill two birds with one stone by setting Germany and Russia against one another in Eastern Europe.

In this way they felt that the two enemies would stalemate one another, or that Germany would become satisfied with the oil of Rumania and the wheat of the Ukraine.

It never occurred to anyone in a responsible position that Germany and Russia might make common cause, even temporarily, against the West. Even less did it occur to them that Russia might beat Germany and thus open all Central Europe to Bolshevism.

In order to carry out this plan of allowing Germany to drive eastward against Russia, it was necessary to do three things:

(1) to liquidate all the countries standing between Germany and Russia;

(2) to prevent France from honoring her alliances with these countries; and

(3) to hoodwink the English people into accepting this as a necessary, indeed, the only solution to the international problem.

The Chamberlain group were so successful in all three of these things that they came within an ace of succeeding, and failed only because of the obstinacy of the Poles, the unseemly haste of Hitler, and the fact that at the eleventh hour the Milner Group realized the implications of their policy and tried to reverse it...

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[edit on 26-6-2007 by Ickey]

I say we find them all and stab them repeatedly until were all satisfied.

I truly feel that nothing will ignite the NWO to be in full swing. There won't be a huge nuclear fallout or anything of that nature. I believe the majority of the world won't realize until they're already enslaved. So what do you think is going to let the people know about this? Is it going to be a bomb drop? or is it going to be them illegalizing guns? It's going to happen so slowly that people don't realize until they're already dead or enslaved.

We gave them an inch, and now they're going a mile. Don't give them anymore inches.