The real 911 smoking gun

In my opinion, the usual dribble of WTC7, the 5 frames of the Pentagon, and other such "smoking guns" are not real smoking guns at all...well they are...but not compared to the biggest smoking gun of all, something that 911 debunkers wouldnt dare touch.

It is proven, it is admitted, that NORAD and the Pentagon, were both running drills, "war games" on the morning of September 11, 2001. These drills simulated the hijackings of jet airliners flown into targets, and guess which targets they were, the WTC and the Pentagon. Aint life strange, so many coincidences.

911proof.com...

911research.com...

Not only that, but that is the reason why NORAD stood down on 911, because they were told it was a drill. This is proven, the Pentagon admits they were running drills, and oh my it was just some coincidence, they tell you, believe it was a coincidence, I mean they treat you like ignorant children.

And oh my, in yet another miracle coincidence, the MI6 was also running drills simulating bombings on trains and buses, at the exact same time, at the exact same places as the bombings of 7\7, this was even admitted on national TV.

www.youtube.com...

www.globalresearch.ca...

Watch the Youtube video, you will see them admitting it, live, on TV. But, oh it was just some accident, yet another bizarre coincidence for you to believe.

Here is the probability for this happening by chance.

PROBABILITY OF DRILL AND TERROR ATTACK COINCIDING BY CHANCE (10yr mean):
One chance in 3,715,592,613,265,750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Estimate of Grains of sand in the whole world:
7,500,000,000,000,000,000

www.infowars.com...

www.miamisci.org...

There is no way in hell this was by accident, and we have to stop these people before the orchestrate another attack. This isnt about 911 CTs VS official story pushers, that debate should well be over, this is about finding out who really did this attack, and stopping them from doing it again. The War on Terror isnt going to do it. The REAL terrorists, who commited the REAL attacks, are in control of the US establishment right now.

It would seem to me that they use drills as kind of a cover whenever they do one of these attacks. Either that, or the drills are the only way these things can actually be done, because, in logic, If you and your friends, even with unlimited funds, probably could not sneak bombs on board a plane, hijack it, and fly it into a building, because you hate freedom. So theres nothing in my mind that tells me that anyone else would.

What makes more sense, and the proof supports it, is that this was done from within, the famous sabotage from within, by people working against your country, to in effect turn it into a vehicle for the Elite to use to manifest their Agenda for total control.


[edit on 10-6-2007 by LightWorker13]

Nice post! Well put together, clean and to the point. The level headed reasoning in this thread is very much appreciated.

And oh my, in yet another miracle coincidence, the MI6 was also running drills simulating bombings on trains and buses, at the exact same time, at the exact same places as the bombings of 7\7, this was even admitted on national TV.

Get at least one of your facts straight.

It was a private company running paper based excersises. MI6 operate abroad, MI5 deal with domestic counter-terrorism anyway.

PROBABILITY OF DRILL AND TERROR ATTACK COINCIDING BY CHANCE (10yr mean):
One chance in 3,715,592,613,265,750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

If you find me a single statistician who supports this ridiculous analysis I will eat my hat. In fact if you find me a statistician who doesn't fall off their chair laughing at it I will eat my hat.

The main problem though is why the UK security services/government would want to blow up their own people and blame radicalised Mulsim youth?

You might not know much about British politics, but these bombings lost Tony Blair popularity points and reduced the support for the war in Iraq. There has been a desperate cover up round the bombings: to cover up the fact that they were partly "blowback" from the Iraq invasion - the government is desperate to make it out as just an aberration and nothing to do with their foreign policy.

Also, why would they need to run a training excersise at the same time if it was a "false flag" operation? Surely a conspiricy should involve the least number of people? Not that many of the theories on these boards are based on that principle, as some of them would involve millions of people.

However you must have a theory as to why the security forces blew up the infrastructure it was tasked with defending and therefore making themselves look incompentant? Or a theory of why the government would want to carry out an attack that their foreign policy less popular?

Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
The main problem though is why the UK security services/government would want to blow up their own people and blame radicalised Mulsim youth?

As a pretext for war. You have heard of false flag operations, right? Here are a few examples of false flag operations:

* In the Gleiwitz incident in 1939, Reinhard Heydrich of Nazi Germany fabricated evidence of a "Polish attack" to mobilize German public opinion, and to fabricate a false justification, for a war with Poland. This would become the start of World War II in Europe.
* In the 1931 Mukden incident, Japanese officers fabricated a pretext for annexing Manchuria by blowing up a section of railway. Later on, they falsely claimed the kidnapping of one of their soldiers in the Marco Polo Bridge Incident as an excuse to invade China proper.
* In 1939, the Soviet Union shelled a village of Mainila on the Finnish border, and forged casualties. This Shelling of Mainila was cited a justification for the Soviet Union to attack Finland.
* The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. administration for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as hijacking a passenger plane and blaming it on Cuba. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, nixed by John F. Kennedy, came to light through the Freedom of Information Act and was publicized by James Bamford.
* On June 8, 1967 the USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was surveilled and attacked in international waters by units of the Israeli Air Force and Sea Corps. Evidence exists supporting the allegation that the attack was an attempt to draw the United States into the Six-Day War. Thirty-four American crewman were killed and 173 were wounded in the attack.
* Opponents of the Kremlin have asserted that the apartment house bombings that precipitated the Second Chechen War were false flag operations perpetrated by the FSB, the successor organization to the KGB.


I am not saying that is what happened, just to show that is a possible answer to your question

Originally posted by nyarlathotep

As a pretext for war. You have heard of false flag operations, right?

Only one slight problem with a False Flag. 7/7 was in 2005. UK forces were already well involved in Iraq. The intent of the London bombings was the same as the Spain bombings, to make the UK leave the Middle East.

Why not hit the US? It would only strengthen resolve and may result in policy change to total war instead of just keeping the peace and rebuilding inferstructure.

Originally posted by Ahabstar
Only one slight problem with a False Flag. 7/7 was in 2005. UK forces were already well involved in Iraq. The intent of the London bombings was the same as the Spain bombings, to make the UK leave the Middle East.

Good point, I had forgotten that 7/7 was less than 2 years ago. The UK was already 2 years into the war.

As a pretext for war. You have heard of false flag operations, right? Here are a few examples of false flag operations:

As I said, it made the ongoing war even more unpopular when it came out that the bombers were seeking some kind of "revenge" for their "brothers" killed in Iraq.

Of course these idiots couldn't quite take in that it was mainly Muslim killing Muslim in Iraq...but that's a different argument...

The intent of the bombings in Spain and England were not to get the troops out of the middle east, although in Spain in backfired.
The intent was to get people to be outraged and give their support on the war on terror.

Originally posted by Ahabstar

Originally posted by nyarlathotep

As a pretext for war. You have heard of false flag operations, right?

Only one slight problem with a False Flag. 7/7 was in 2005. UK forces were already well involved in Iraq. The intent of the London bombings was the same as the Spain bombings, to make the UK leave the Middle East.

Why not hit the US? It would only strengthen resolve and may result in policy change to total war instead of just keeping the peace and rebuilding inferstructure.

No. It had nothing to do with Britain's support for America in the Iraq war. The false flag black op was intended to create fears in the British public that would make them accept draconian new security measures and laws passed by Parliament. Such as detention without charge for 90 days - now thrown out by a majority vote in the House of Commons. Also to create suspicion of Muslims and to increase Islamophobia. Don't forget the cabal that did 9/11, Madrid and 7/7, the latter using four amateur patsies, work in the interests of Israel as well as powerful elite groups.

Even subtracting the probability factors the coinsidences are enormous. All those drills going on the same day, bad airport security, targets insured against just such an attack, key government leaders slow to react while event is ongoing.

Throw out all the wilder ideas about what happened and your still left with bottom line of it was allowed to happen at the very least. I'm not a "Bush basher", I think there's blame to lay on the previous administration as well, so please don't lable me.

Look at who bennifited the most and you may find the real "terrorists".

I think a lot of people are stuck in the past in thinking that countries and their governments stand alone and for themselves.

It's not about individual countries anymore, the technologies of communication and high speed travel have made world domination a very real goal and possibility.

When private/publicly traded companies can generate enough money to tell the governments of the world what to do, there is a problem. Some people that are successful in business see no problem in laying the ground work for a global take over, it's simply good business and has been done on a small scale since the beginning of time.

I'm a not a fan of us being so friendly with a country (England) that we fought in a war for America's freedom. They at one time were our enemy and it is fishier than can be that we are so chummy with them now.

The point I am making is the World is now run by a private organization, with enough money, power and influence to make their goals come true. A society of the elite is all they want left.

How do you get rid of poverty, starvation, disease, and the people that are a burden in this world? Eliminate them. This world does not belong to everyone, it belongs to the people who made it theirs. If that sounds harsh ask anyone who has ever been a slave or a victim of genocide how ruthless people in power can be.

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I appreciate the support from the people with eyes.

And, perhaps you should get your facts straight, Blairs approval ratings jumped after the attacks, they didnt go down.

But, after the State started passing more anti-terror laws, and started to rachet up the big brother control system in Britain, after the bombings, THAT is what caused the approval ratings to drop, as they shouldve.

And why would they want to hit their own targets? Well, because theyve done it before, theyve planned it before. They do this to pass anti-terror legislation to increase their control, they do it to get more funding, they do it to rachet up the big brother surveillence command and control system.

THEY WERE RUNNING DRILLS. They admitted they were running drills, or have you forgot that, they were running the drills on 911 and 7\7, simulating the same events, hitting the same targets.

I wanna ask whoever somehow doubts, do you believe that these drills and the coinciding attacks, on both 911 and 7\7, do you believe it was some coincidence? You obviously dont think they did it, so you must think its some coincidence. And if you do, I hope you understand just how completely moronic it is to just shrug this off as some bizarre coincidence.

You people are afraid. You are afraid to face reality. You have bought into the image that the government is there to help and cares about you, when the fruits of their labour, ALWAYS proves the opposite.

Again I ask, is it a coincidence? Do you believe it was a coincidence, all this stuff, and we are all just paranoid??

Dont be skeptical beyond reason and logic. That is plain ignorant.



[edit on 10-6-2007 by LightWorker13]

Originally posted by infinityoreilly
Even subtracting the probability factors the coinsidences are enormous. All those drills going on the same day, bad airport security, targets insured against just such an attack, key government leaders slow to react while event is ongoing.

Throw out all the wilder ideas about what happened and your still left with bottom line of it was allowed to happen at the very least. I'm not a "Bush basher", I think there's blame to lay on the previous administration as well, so please don't lable me.

Look at who bennifited the most and you may find the real "terrorists".

EXACTLY. EXACTLY. Well said, people only focus on little things, they never can get the full spectrum, and the wider vision for whats happening on their world.

All these things, in isolation, of course its gonna be "well thats just some coincidence".

But taken all together, and they point to something very sinister that we would be smart to investigate.

The running drills on 9/11 myth is a classic on.

They ran drills yes, but they did not emulate terrorists fling planes into buildings like some of the tabloids would like to have you believe. What the tabloids do is they take 5 different unrelated drills by different departments and combine them into on big diabolical drill.

For instance the part about planes crashing into a building. This was a fire drill exercise to prepare for the event of a small plane losing hydrolics crashing into a building tower at their office.

The terrorist part was a drill for a hijacking over the atlantic which involved simply escorting the plane to a landing, and this was completed before the hijackings started.

Most of them (2) involved operational units and the rest just meant people were at their desks. The big one that involved jets was the one that involved tracking russian bombers over Alaska.

So it's a lot of hype and no substance there. But it does make for good sensationalism and does boost sales for some web sites.

Originally posted by Spoodily


How do you get rid of poverty, starvation, disease, and the people that are a burden in this world? Eliminate them. This world does not belong to everyone, it belongs to the people who made it theirs. If that sounds harsh ask anyone who has ever been a slave or a victim of genocide how ruthless people in power can be.

[edit on 6/10/2007 by Spoodily]

"Ask anyone who has ever been a slave or a victim of genocide how ruthless people in power can be"
Ask your fellow American or your fellow Canadian who has become a targeted Individual; ask those TI's in the UK and other parts of the world; ask them what it is like to be persecuted by your own government and the rich and powerful who stand behind the government. Ask these people what it is like to have no privacy, no freedom, held a virtual prisoner in your home, isolated from family and friends, tortured beyond belief by non-lethal weapons and if they speak up about it they are persecuted further until they are either dead or shut up by forcing them into a mental institution where they experience more torture. There are millions of people today globally who are slaves and this form of slavery knows no race, religion, or gender. Could you be the next slave to New World Order?
Debbie

So, it is a coincidence that they were running drills simulating the same events at the same time, with the targets, not just on 911, but also on 7\7...is that what you people are saying?

Hey, if you wanna believe such nonsense, I got a bridge Id like to sell you.

What is so hard to believe about the fact that your corrupt establishment are behind these type of events? They have the motive, they have the power to pull it off, they benefit from it, they have every motive to do it.

What motive do arabs have? None, they get the US and Britain, and the rest of the world up their ass. Wake up, whoever benefits most from a crime is probably the one who committed it. Its not rocket science.

What is most frusterating is that people will take every piece of proof that supports the idea that these attacks are self inflicted, look at all the proof in complete isolation, and say how its just a coincidence or its just plain not true, totally regardless of reason and logic, backed by fact.

The war game drills, PNAC, Operation Northwoods, WTC7, top governmental and economic and military whistleblowers exposing it, the fact that the official story is so inconsistent and contradictory, top scientists have come out saying its impossible for jet fuel to take down buildings, Larry Silverstein admitting they "pulled" the building, blast points all along the towers as their collapsing, the fact that even top police and military, cream, already know its an inside job, despite the fact that FEMA was ready to spring into action on September 10, the pre-911 warnings, the warnings of top politicians not to fly in to NY on 911, the fact that the CIA created Al Queda, the fact that they lied about WMDs to go to war, the illegal wiretapping, the warrantless searches, the Patriot Act, the Victory Act, the Military Commisions Act, FEMAs executive orders, I mean I can go on and on, the proof is too much, taken all together, it paints the real picture.

The problem with you people is you will take all this stuff, and not connect the dots, you will debunk each in isolation. Its very ignorant, and sad.


[edit on 10-6-2007 by LightWorker13]

No " smoking gun " can be found because one DOES NOT exist.
One can search forever but will never find one untill people realize that
19 zelots pulled off the amazing . plain and simple . or should i say plane .

[edit on 10-6-2007 by gen.disaray]

Lightworker13,

I will reply to your last post by posting something I said in another thread.

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A person has to be receptive to the frequencies that leads to awareness on how the government or shadow government does not represent the people it enslaves.

Only when that door of frequencies is opened, can a person see the evidence for what it truly is regarding 911.

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Before a person opens up that door of perception,
No matter how much convincing your evidence is,
It won't be acknowledge by the person who,
Hasn't opened that door.

When that reception is not established, the person cannot assess the evidence that demonstrates the corruption of the government and the system.

ive seen that stat (one chance in 320bazillion...) in somebodies sig before, could you please link th source, show the math, or both? thank you.

Originally posted by LightWorker13
It is proven, it is admitted, that NORAD and the Pentagon, were both running drills, "war games" on the morning of September 11, 2001. These drills simulated the hijackings of jet airliners flown into targets, and guess which targets they were, the WTC and the Pentagon. Aint life strange, so many coincidences.

The detai;s remain classified, but at least one had a hijacking involved, and Vigilant Guardian also seems to have had at least a possible hijack theme.
For those who'd like to follow up, the names of the war games I know of are:
NORAD:
1-Vigilant Guardian
2-Northern Vigilance
3-Northern Guardian
NORAD/Joint Chiefs:
4-Vigilant Warrior (involves "live-flies")
Other:
5-Global Guardian (involves E4B airborne command centers, the "doomday planes" of the Cold War)
The website you linked to is a bit jumbled, but a good starting point. As far as I know none targetted the Pentagon, but one may have had the WTC as a target. The only drill near the WTC was an alleged biowarfare drill, TriPOD, at pier 92 in Manhattan sched. for 9/12 but set-up on 9/11. Possibly irrelevant...

Not only that, but that is the reason why NORAD stood down on 911, because they were told it was a drill. This is proven, the Pentagon admits they were running drills, and oh my it was just some coincidence, they tell you, believe it was a coincidence, I mean they treat you like ignorant children.

Off on details, but good point. Og, they train all the time... there was no stand down. Jets were scrambled, but sent the wrong way, sent at about 1/3 top speed, given no info n their targets, and no authorization to fire. De factos stand down, but not dejure. Fighters were scrambled, but so was the defense they were part of.

And here's where we get so interestingly off-topic:

And oh my, in yet another miracle coincidence, the MI6 was also running drills simulating bombings on trains and buses, at the exact same time, at the exact same places as the bombings of 7\7, this was even admitted on national TV.

Agreed with others - not MI6, but rather "Visor Consultants," who oddly had scripted the same scenario to be run on BBC as a fake newscast about a year prior, May 2004. Three bombings on the underground at about the same times that happened 14 months later, and a later surface bombing, though with nerve agents as well and a massive death toll.
Peter Power's Mainstream media terror operations
Fourteen months later, three underground bombings close together in the morning followed by a later surface bombing (allegedly improvised at the last minute by a thwarted bus rider). Coincidence? Not too likely.
But the nature of the connection: that these Muslim kids would copy the plot of the earlier show seems possible enough, but that they would do it on the very morning Power was again re-hashing about the same scenario for a "paper" drill that also, Power himself explains, was "an exercise involving mock broadcasts [...] when news bulletins started coming on, people began to say how realistic our exercise was - not realising there was an attack."

Now why do this in the open? What tactical use could this have? Not too much I can see, but are there other explanations besides sheer coincidence?

Back to the 9/11 wargames, which I agree are telling clues...

Here is the probability for this happening by chance.

PROBABILITY OF DRILL AND TERROR ATTACK COINCIDING BY CHANCE (10yr mean):
One chance in 3,715,592,613,265,750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

I have a hunch no one actually ever calcualted that number. I'd guess they just typed lots of zeros. Do you have any idea how huge that number is?
I just get tired of seing tis "figure" batted around. Suffice to say, the odds are slim, perhaps in the 1/100 - 1/1,000 range.

There is no way in hell this was by accident, and we have to stop these people before the orchestrate another attack. This isnt about 911 CTs VS official story pushers, that debate should well be over, this is about finding out who really did this attack, and stopping them from doing it again. The War on Terror isnt going to do it. The REAL terrorists, who commited the REAL attacks, are in control of the US establishment right now.

Okay, let's stop them. You keep an eye on the Joint Chiefs, I'll keep the CIA in check, we'll get some others recruiting volunteers to shoot down RC planes before they can hit buildings, others to retrieve the RC devices for proof before the fuzz arrives, human roadblocks, and what else? Snipers and suicide bombers?

I don't mean to be a cynic, but really, how to stop them?



[edit on 11-6-2007 by Caustic Logic]