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Why the necessity of male and female messiahs?

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posted on May, 13 2007 @ 08:49 PM
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Why is there a necessity of two messiahs, male and female?

Sin entered the world through a two-tier process:

“For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression” (1 Timothy 2:13, 14). She then tempted Adam, her spouse.

The first messiah, Jesus Christ, reversed the sin of Adam, who was tempted by Eve, NOT directly by the Serpent.

“Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life” (Romans 5:14-18).

The female messiah, the Antichrist, must reverse the sin of Eve, who was tempted, directly, by the Serpent.

Through the dual actions of male and female messiahs, the genders are reconciled and fully redeemed.

Following the public manifestation of the Antichrist the world may expect an emphasis on the universal elevation of women’s rights and status, particularly in Muslim culture.



posted on May, 13 2007 @ 11:51 PM
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i do not see how you connect eve to a female messiah.Antichrist

twisting scripture just a little aren't you?

Jesus is the only messiah

and scripture tells us the AC is a man



posted on May, 14 2007 @ 12:01 AM
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The scriptures say neither of these things. The only person who mentions the Antichrist in the Bible is Paul, and here is what he had to say about it:

1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The Antichrist is anyone who denies Christ, period. There are many antichrists, not just one. Also salvation is covered by the Death of Christ on the cross and nothing else is necessary besides this for salvation.
What is often called an Antichrist in the bible is the references to beasts, however as John was writing in the same prophetic sybomlism used in Daniel, beasts are kingdoms, or Empires. Example:

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.



posted on May, 14 2007 @ 12:08 AM
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ya i know and agree for the most part

were are talking bout THE ANTICRIST,aka son of perdition



[edit on 14-5-2007 by tom_roberts]



posted on May, 14 2007 @ 12:24 AM
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Hey tom,
What I am saying though is that only one of the three schools of prophetic interpretation even says there is going to be an all powerful antichrist, aka son of perdition. There may not be any all-powerful antichrist at all, and that certainly seems to be the way things are playing out.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Is it possible that this means there will be an Antichrist? I suppose it does. However, it also can be applied to folks such as the Pontifex Maximus, which was not a single man but a position of men. The man of perdition can also mean any person who puts themselves before God. Such as this type of person also mentioned by Paul:

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.



posted on May, 14 2007 @ 12:28 AM
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interesting, but what of the AoD?
and the temple, as well as references that imply he will be gay?



posted on May, 14 2007 @ 12:31 AM
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posted on May, 14 2007 @ 12:51 AM
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The Abomination of Desolation, to me anyway, has already occurred. It happened around 70AD (I am too busy to look up exact date tonight), when Emperor Tiberius (I am pretty sure he is the right guy) set up his standards in the Temple and had it used for emperor worship. Shortly after that the Jews revolted, and were crushed by the Romans. Israel was made desolate. The Emperor was also the Pontifex Maximus, this station still exists today, but we call them Popes now. So, the man standing in the Temple declaring himself god would literally mean the Popes who have stated they are the voice and power of God on earth.
The reference you mention of what futurists call the rebuilt third temple comes form this verse:

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

It is actually a reference to Christ himself and not the antichrist. Christ confirmed the covenant which God made with man (to send them a messiah) for 3.5 years (how long Christ ministered for) in the middle of that ministry he was cut off (put to death). His ultimate sacrifice made the animal sacrifice of the temple null and void, so it makes the sacrifice cease to mean anything to God anymore. This is shown in the new testament when the Temple Vail is rent in half after Christ dies:

Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

This was the curtain that the high priest would cross once a year to sprinkle blood from the animal sacrifice on the glory seat of the ark of the covenant. We can further tell this verse is actually about Christ and not an antichrist by the proceeding verses:

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

So this whole part of Daniel was about both Christ and the coming fall of Israel under the Roman Legions of Emperor Tiberius.

AS to the gay part, you’ll have to refresh my memory where that is, I do recall hearing it, but I don’t recall where it is derived from specifically.




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