UFO: Cockpit recording - Holland 1997

Welcome to ATS Pjotr. Want to thank you for all the information you've supplied us. Thanks for all the research and phone calls made etc. Thanks to Mr.Teuben for his cooperation and information as well. Just want to say that for the pilot to change careers and quit flying all together makes me think he saw something up there that wasn't airplanes.
Hope to see you in other post here at ATS, you're welcome to share anything else going on over there in your neck of woods.

Thanks for the compliment, but it is fun. It is a good subject.
I have been looking for websites that would serve your purpose, but as far as english texts are used, they are copied from english-lingo websites from the UK and USA.

I am working on a plan in this respect, but I need some cooperation from Niburu. A little patience is needed here. I will try to make some overview off all the sightings in English, a Flash-application that is easy to update.
They will have to deliver the reports. So I will wait untill they respond on this.

Just a thought, I watch all those Aircraft accident investigation shows on Discovery and I had thought. Don't all Air Traffic and Controllers regulated to speak English on the radio? Could be wrong.

Dallas

Originally posted by Dallas
Just a thought, I watch all those Aircraft accident investigation shows on Discovery and I had thought. Don't all Air Traffic and Controllers regulated to speak English on the radio? Could be wrong.

Dallas

English is needed for identifying,directions and other specific flightterms. The guy was also confused about the thing he saw, and what is easier to explain something in your own language?

This recording is an obvious fake because: 1. The "pilot" states his altiiude in feet, and in Continental Europe altitude is stated in meters - not feet. 2. Two controllers never work one flight. They may relieve one another, but never switch back and forth. 3. In real pilot/controller communications, there are gaps lasting several and many seconds between the dialogues. Anyone experienced in aviation would know that this is not an authentic ATC exchange.

I dont know if the TRANSLATION converted the altitude to feet or if the pilot relates it to feet. If the latter then yes this draws into question the exchange.

I always thought that airfields large and small used feet as an international system for calculating altitude.

It would make sense, imo, since a reading in metres would be 3 times lower if presumed in feet.

I tried googling for the rules on this, but got nothing definitive, just a lot of PDF's.

Im pretty sure the europeans have a version of our FAA that governs the use of units to be used. That it is most likely SI units, and in this case meters and not feet. But then again there may be certain coutries that rebel against the system, theres always some rebels eh!

For example, in the USA, we have daylight savings time, well MOST of the country is on Daylight savings, but there are some rebels that like to confuse the rest of America as to what time it is...

So its possible that some european countries use feet instead of meters. Anyone want to confirm this...?

Originally posted by greatlakes
Im pretty sure the europeans have a version of our FAA that governs the use of units to be used. That it is most likely SI units, and in this case meters and not feet. But then again there may be certain coutries that rebel against the system, theres always some rebels eh!

I found this in Wiki

Altitude is the elevation of an object from a known level or datum. Common datums are mean sea level and the surface of the WGS-84 geoid, used by GPS. In the United States and the UK aviation altitude is usually measured in feet. Everywhere else in the world the altitude is measured in metres.[citation needed]

Not very helpful, but I can see where the question of the altitude readings puts the vid into question.

quote: "English is needed for identifying,directions and other specific flightterms. The guy was also confused about the thing he saw, and what is easier to explain something in your own language?"
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Quite possible. Now that I think about it, that Mexican Airline Captain who's 757 had a landing gear collision with a UFO on final approach was certainly not speaking English on his final. However, that was in his native land talking (well louder than talking) to Air Traffic.

Dallas

I would like to post a small anomaly. I read this post through twice, and was very impressed with it overall. I too think that it appears as a true UFO, the stress being on 'unidentified'. This certainly seems to need further consideration.

The odd thing I have noticed, here and in other threads, is something I have mentally labeled 'deflection posts'. Above was a post by 'trebordet' seeking to make the argument that the feet v meters was an issue, the number of controllers, and the pattern of pilot chatter. (All of which are valid points. ) What I find odd is the poster. This person has been here since '05, about 19 months, has no avatar to have spent points on, and yet has a very low point count. This would be a profile of a lurker. I am curious why someone would be here so long, with so few comments, and yet in this instance, sound off in such an authoritative way.

Human nature does not usually allow for such a change. Lurkers, in any type of conversation, almost always speak up in a 'low key' way until their confidence is sufficient to allow them to graduate to a more 'outspoken' demeanor. Of course there are the ones who enter a thread already convinced of an agenda, usually to debunk, that fit such a profile - except these are more obvious in that they don't seem to wait at all, and start their 'instructive' dialog the first hour they are on a forum.

For a lurker to remain for so long on the forum, shows to me a keen interest in the subject matter. From the brevity of the post, I gather that his/her opinions are well seated, indicating a "set response pattern", which to me seems scripted. I say scripted because most heartfelt skeptics are more verbose in stating their opinions.

I bring this up in this thread because you have all been doing an excellent job of analyzing the voice tempo and such as regards the tape. And there was mention of the question of some form of government interference in the fact that this never made it out to the world at large when it happened. I am simply adding to that in questioning a poster's motive.

I have seen similar deflection posts in other threads, and wondered if I was alone in noticing the profile.

trebordet, if you would care to comment, I would be most interested. Perhaps I am mistaken in thinking you some paid watcher here at ATS. Then again, maybe this sighting is more important than we now realize, for some reason that the 'watchers' want to remain hidden, and whomever you are working for wants to stop further inquiry on this sighting.

"You're not paranoid if they really are out to get you".

[edit on 6-5-2007 by NGC2736]

I think you're looking much more into it than necessary. Its not some essay of a post, it just makes some valid points in one paragraph. Lurkers may just be non-posters, people that really only post when they feel strongly about something, or really feel the need to speak up about a thread topic, perhaps something that hasn't been stated by anyone else. Perhaps some non-posters do not have ENGLISH as their 1st language, there are many reasons and I woldn't jump to any conclusions nor feel the need to question someones post and posting history...Back on topic

[edit on 6-5-2007 by greatlakes]

No conspiracy here - sorry. I enjoy reading the posts from time to time when I think of visiting the site, and the reason I haven't contributed is because I've had nothing to add until now. I just started receiving weekly ATS emails and when I heard the recording in question I felt a need to comment beacuse I was a professional pilot for a number of years and I can assure you that this recording doesn't sound like any ATC communication I've ever heard.

trebordet, my apologies. I have seen this same phenomenon here and elsewhere, and it caught my interest. I question all things. In this day and age many things are a possibility.

Again, no intent to do you defamation. But, if one never asks, one never knows.

Hey tyranny22,
Sorry to get back to you so much later. I often don't come back to threads -- just so darn many here at ATS.

Anyway, your two lessens are two more than I have under my belt.
Thanks for the tower -- Pilot lingo example

Dallas

Originally posted by trebordet
This recording is an obvious fake because: 1. The "pilot" states his altiiude in feet, and in Continental Europe altitude is stated in meters - not feet.

I have found nothing to refute this so I can not actually comment on it with any kind of intelligence.

2. Two controllers never work one flight. They may relieve one another, but never switch back and forth.

My impression is that it is a controller speaking to the pilot only and that the controller is communicating with a radar operator at the same time on a different channel. The controller is consistently repeating what the radar operator says to him back to the pilot. Except for possibly a couple of exchanges the radar operator has no direct comms with the pilot. There might be a couple of misidentified exchanges in the translation. For whatever reason both the controller to pilot and controller to radar operator comms were recorded on the same tape.

3. In real pilot/controller communications, there are gaps lasting several and many seconds between the dialogues. Anyone experienced in aviation would know that this is not an authentic ATC exchange.

On page 4 of this thread Pjotr found the original mp3 file of this radio broadcast audio and said that it had all of the long pauses and static and some robotic "timestamps" included in it. It has apparently been edited for time and clarity. I am trying to get that link reset so that even though the audio is in Dutch, the details you are looking for are there to be reviewed.

Maybe it is a fake but maybe a little less obviously.




[edit on 7-5-2007 by Lost_Mind]

Nice find man. Im from holland to and this sounds pretty much real if ya ask me. Could be fake but who knows, its been 10 years ago.

Thanks for sharing.

Great find! That guy sounds like wants to get away from that thing. Sounds real to me.

Hey, I speak the language(dutch) and I can say it sounds pretty real

I think we have the real deal here!

I don't speak Dutch. I am not a pilot. But this recording gave me chills. No orchestral score to tell me how to feel and what to think. No ILM special effects to give me goosebumps. No Harrison Ford or Denzel Washington in the starring role. Maybe it's a troupe of good voice actors rehearsing lines for an independent film? Who knows. It sounds real and is very effective, in my opinion. There seems to be at least one person here with some experience in aviation, so that's good. But, man, this recording is bananas!