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Originally posted by Royal76
Because he's still on something. Maybe its not illegal, but he's on something right now. I hate that guy too, maybe that helps that he a friggen
Count David Ortiz among those who isn't convinced Barry Bonds used illegal performance-enhancing drugs -- or if they really helped the San Francisco Giants outfielder make his run at Hank Aaron's home run record.
"To hit the ball, the guy makes it look easy, but it ain't. I don't know how you can have that swing, consistently. I don't know how steroids can do that," Ortiz told the Boston Herald. "There are supposed to be guys using steroids in the game, and there's nobody close to Barry Bonds. What's that mean? He was using the best [stuff]? Know what I'm saying?"
Originally posted by Mirthful Me
The players that do it have something the rest of us don't... Talent.
Originally posted by Mirthful Me
I'd say David Ortiz knows a thing or two about hitting home runs. I just don't believe there's any drug, or supplement that can help you hit home runs. What drug lets you see the ball better, or define the strike zone? There isn't one, nor is there one that will help you anticipate a pitch type in a certain count.
I rate him higher than any baseball fan I know in real life. He was a great player thru '99, and I don't think he cheated until then. But better than Ruth, Mays, Cobb, Williams, Mantle, Musial, Gehrig, etc.? Ha ha ha.
Originally posted by DarkHelmet
I wish I still had my original post on this matter from SportzTawk, but I guess I'll just have to re-do this.
Why I think he's clean:
- My mother's uncle Phil was a bodybuilder in North Carolina, even taking the Mr. North Carolina title. He was a steroid user. Based off of personal experiences with and around him, I can say with confidence that Bonds doesn't have quite the look to be on steroids. I'm not saying he has to be toned and such, as many of his friends were also users and didn't look ripped or anything, but from those I have met, Bonds doesn't quite fit in with them.
- My Uncle John played Triple-A baseball for the Fresno Grizzlies, the farm club of the Giants. He says based off guys he played with there, like Jack Clark, etc., he doesn't think Bonds cheated. While he said it's not certain whether he did or not, using his judgement from playing with a couple guys here and there that had taken steroids, Bonds doesn't fit the picture.
- No matter the rumor, people always believe it, unless it's absolutely ludicrous. If I was a Giants player, and lied and said that I personally had seen Bonds using steroids... though it was a lie, the media carries it and it becomes fact. This is why I cannot believe what is written and said in the media. All this could hae started by someone saying, "Geez... the guys on fire... it's like he's on steroids!", and next thing you know, the media's advertising it as Bonds on Steroids.
And even if the guy took steroids... I don't care. I LOVE baseball. And having an uncle that played Triple-A, and a father who made the last cuts on the Cincinnati Reds, but losing the spot because the other guy had more speed, it makes me aware of how baseball is ran. I'm not some average joe who just pretends to know a lot of baseball. I say what I know, and keep quiet about what I don't, because while I know a lot... I don't know everything. Players have cheated in the past. None likes to bring it up, because they are our legends. Knowing they cheated doesn't make them any less of a legend to me. I just know that there will always be people that cheat. You can't sit there and say you've never cheated at something.. whether it's baseball or checkers. It's human nature to cheat, and people will always find ways to do it. So if these guys are corking, juicing, whatever... I really don't care... I just want to watch some damn baseball!
And I do know that the 450 foot HR stat doesn't matter to me. At age 13 I could already hit the ball about 340. This year in our sole win, I had a game where I had 3 3-Run HR's over the 360 marker in Left with the wind blowing in. Given as many years as he's had to train and build strength, I'm sure I could be capable of hitting something 450 feet. I've seen kids here in HS that are like twigs that can hit the ball a mile. And I have absolutely NO Upper body strength. I've played on a Championship caliber Basketball team the last 3 years, so all I've been concerned with is leg strength to jump. But I don't really use my legs to swing either... I have a wide stance, and don't even step. Which leads me to believe that my power comes from pure technique. I wish I could replicate Bonds' swing, it's perfect. Which leads me to believe that is where he's deriving his power from. And yea he's packed on some pounds over the years. It happens... and that added weight does help your strength.