Ba'al vs. Bel

I read that LILith is NinLIL, the LIL form is appended with the hebrew suffix

Belial, I think that's Bel isn't it?

Baalzebub, same guy as Baal, but with the added "zebub" . Baal is lord and zebub is of "things that fly" or "flying things" (there's a couple others)

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How can you use a site like The stargates.com to try and translate/dechiper the meaning of words used by an ancient civilisation?

I could just as well make my own translation and say its the real deal.

And as to Cthulhu, are you now to going to say that what Lovecraft wrote is based on reality?

As to Michael Heiser: born again christians talk a great deal of balony.Trust me as i deal with them on a daily basis




Its a shame that you tend to mix up facts with fiction because the real ancient world is mysterious and intresting enough without having to mix in some alien stargate nonsense.

The pics weren't from thestargates.com. i had to save them to my own server, as thestargates.com is MY website. i didn't want to hotlink to them as that is bandwidth theft.

Source for Bel as the Sun God
www.jrbooksonline.com...
Source for Ba'al as the Storm God
www.edwardtbabinski.us...
omygosh it says christian. here's a non-christian one
tinyurl.com...



What does it matter what his religion is if he knows the languages? Would you prefer I go to someone who doesn't know the languages?

He has an M.A. and Ph.D. in Hebrew Bible and Ancient Semitic Languages from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He also has an M.A. in Ancient History from the University of Pennsylvania (major fields, Ancient Syria-Palestine and Egyptology), and can do translation work in roughly a dozen ancient languages, among them Biblical Hebrew, Biblical Greek, Aramaic, Syriac, Egyptian hieroglyphs, Phoenician, Moabite and Ugaritic cuneiform. He also studied Akkadian and Sumerian, independently.

Pretty impressive resume', and you just toss it out the window because the guy's religion doesn't agree with your own? Man you live in a very tiny world. egads, who knows maybe you've eaten food grown by a christian too. oh the horror .

Dr. Michael S. Heiser
www.michaelsheiser.com...

And for some very interesting biblical research
www.thedivinecouncil.com...

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Rather than focusing on the full structure of Ba-al as used in Phoenician or other Semitic or Sumerian tongues, one might try for a still more primitive usage focusing instead on the parts of the term. "Ba" meant "father" in a number of primitive dialects. "A" might mean "without" (as in "asymmetry) or also might mean "toward," a sort of opposite meaning. The letter "l" often is seen in words indicating "location," as in, perhaps, "Berlin," "Dublin," "ul," other similar examples.

Afterthought: One might try to relate this to another possibly-analogous name, "Abel."

Yes, I have considered that as well. I had a theory at one point that Cain and Abel were a mirror of Enki and Enlil, as Enki was a agricultural god in the flood plain of the Euphrates where he built canals to water the crops, and Enlil's temple was in the foothills of a nearby mountain range, which would be conducive to raising certain types of livestock (cooler temps, for example). I'm not entirely sure though, as it is hard to tell if Abel was simply one of the people who lived in the area OR if he was actually the original Enlil, and that somewhere along the line, someone had deified him. Same for Cain.

I should add, I no longer believe that as I've since had time to study the sumerian-akkadian texts and artifacts, and it appears Enki and Enlil were not quite human.

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Undo:
Look into what I was talking about.
Even though most people consider Lovecraft's Mythos to be entirely fictional, what is interesting is the struggle between the "Olde Ones" and the "Elder Gods"
In addition it has been noted that some of the fictional places by Lovecraft, such as the location of R'leyh have recently shown odd things.
Bloop
Much of the Lovecraftian Mythos centers around Ancient Interdimentional Beings
/extraterrestrials that were long ago worshipped as dieties.
Investigate into all of that, it may help you along your path.
It is an entertaining subject and good reading if nothing else

Well that was certainly interesting (Bloop, that is).
If you've read Heiser's work on "Elohim" you will notice that he says that all spirits are called elohim, that it wasn't an attribute of anything but to describe the plane of existence they were located on. And although some could or would eventually be able to take on physical bodies at will, that they are from the spirit realm. I found this fascinating as it relates to the topic of the "gods" and God in particular. It diffuses alot of presumptions that EL as the singular Elohim was specific to only Yahweh. Not true. I think that pretty much takes care of all my questions regarding Baal, Bel, Allah, EL and so on. Heiser has proven to me, sufficiently, that the texts mean to say these are spirits, divine beings, even the dearly departed humans become elohim (spirits). Ha, what an elegant solution. And here I was straining at the bit over these word variations.

So when in Genesis 1 it refers to Elohim in the royal we, it is literally spirits talking to each other, with one in particular acting as spokesman. And that one in particular we learn is YHWH, specifically, but who is obviously in the company of other elohim (divine beings or spirit beings). So simple.

Baal, Bel and so on, are then relegated to the realm of elohim. They were each an EL, in that they were all elohim (usually shown diminutively in english to denote lesser, but which is designated in hebrew by other markers scholars of the language recognize).