4 questions for 9/11 theorists to help to establish the truth

What is the true story of the events of 9/11. Who are we to believe? The media? The internet? The left wing nut at work who carries a gas mask in his car? In order to figure out what happened in 9/11, and who may have been behind it, I think we need to create a timeline of the official story, and the conspiracy theorists. I have read in many posts on this site that more people in America believe 9/11 was an inside job than not. So let’s start there.


If 9/11 was an inside job, lets first look at what it would take to make this happen. First, you would need the plan drawn up and the right people contacted. For me, this is where some of the conspiracy theory starts to lose it’s credibility. We have to ask first

1. Who drew up the plan (names and why)
2. When was it drawn up
3. Why was it drawn up
4. Who would benefit from a 9/11 type event



The following are my thoughts

1. Who drew up the plan? On one side we have the US government and on the other we have terrorists, namely Al-Qeada. Now, I know from research that Al-Qeada had this in motion in the late 90’s and almost pulled off another called Project Bojinka. Since 9/11 there has been no leaked document, anywhere, that states the US had a hand in the attacks. None.

2. When was it drawn up? Well, Project Bojinka was in the works since the mid-90’s, and we don’t have any other US documents to see, so there is nothing to compare to. Seems that Al-Qeada wins again.

3. Why was it drawn up? You see, the argument that the government needed a reason to invade Iraq, well, that isn’t quite true. As they have showed and continue to they can do whatever they want, whenever they want for whatever amount of time they want. They do not even have a reason anymore, so why would they need one in the first place. Al-Qaeda had a reason that went back to GW1, when Saudi Arabia told Osama they did not need his help but let the US on their soil.

4. Who would benefit? Well, I do not see full detainment camps or the loss of civil liberties, we still have free speech and cable TV. However, this was a strike against the Great Satan for Al-Qaeda. This was the first salvo in what is the War on Terror is now, or whatever the democrats want to call it this week. Pelosi will get back from vacation and take care of it.

If you can please help in answering these 4 questions so that we can start to move in the right direction to see who would benefit the most after 9/11 occurred.


[edit on 10-4-2007 by esdad71]

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Thank you for that insight. That was what I was hoping not to get, and actaully ahve someone provide some decent answers. The other night i was out having some drinks with some people, andI figured this would be a good chace to do a survey. This is what I asked?

What do you think of 9/11?

1. 36 y/o male, married 1 kid who cares???
2. 45 y/o male married 2 kids I think the government dropped the ball but was not behind it
3. 29 y/o male single no kids Not sure, does not care
4. 31 y/o male married 1 kid demolition, Bush was behind all of it
5. 30 y/o female divorced 3 kids not sure what happened, but knows Bush is behind it

After this I realized, that most people do not care or believe the Truth. I jsut wanted to know why. I may write with a slight right slant, but is that a crime?

Originally posted by esdad71


1. Who drew up the plan (names and why)
2. When was it drawn up
3. Why was it drawn up
4. Who would benefit from a 9/11 type event



If you can please help in answering these 4 questions so that we can start to move in the right direction to see who would benefit the most after 9/11 occurred.

As you can see I've edited your answers to your own questions(agenda).

Only one question needs to be answered who would benefit?

Larry Silverstein? 3+ billion in insurance.

Big oil? Record profits since 911

Nobid contractors? Billions in profit with no accountability.

Military contractors? All the equipment being used in the war will need to be replaced.

Pollititians? Only the ones who have the balls to take it to those damn islamofacists should be in power right?

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Originally posted by infinityoreilly

Originally posted by esdad71


1. Who drew up the plan (names and why)
2. When was it drawn up
3. Why was it drawn up
4. Who would benefit from a 9/11 type event



If you can please help in answering these 4 questions so that we can start to move in the right direction to see who would benefit the most after 9/11 occurred.

As you can see I've edited your answers to your own questions(agenda).

Only one question needs to be answered who would benefit?

Larry Silverstein? 3+ billion in insurance.

Big oil? Record profits since 911

Nobid contractors? Billions in profit with no accountability.

Military contractors? All the equipment being used in the war will need to be replaced.

Pollititians? Only the ones who have the balls to take it to those damn islamofacists should be in power right?

Siverstein- the buildings were insured to rebuild, nothing else. He will actaully wind up paying out to rebuild.

BIg oil- this would occur no matter what. As long as people drive 7 mpg SUV's there will be demand and supply, not the other way around.

Military/commercial contractors- and without war they do not spend? Wanna look at the military defense budget for, say, any year.

Politicians- Only the ones with the balls to stand up for their own country? Yeah, I'll take that over a president who was to busy getting pleasured than to pull the trigger. Clinton could have sent a clear and strong message.

Thanks for answering my questions. I am not to this point yet. I want peoples ideas on the questions I asked. I know all the arguments, I want to start this as an investigation from start to end. That is the only way to find and/or prove the truth. I am tired of not bieng believed and defending myself. In the end if we find nanothermite and the passengers alive in Idaho, so be it.

[edit on 10-4-2007 by esdad71]

Originally posted by esdad71

Siverstein- the buildings were insured to rebuild, nothing else. He will actaully wind up paying out to rebuild.

BIg oil- this would occur no matter what. As long as people drive 7 mpg SUV's there will be demand and supply, not the other way around.

Military/commercial contractors- and without war they do not spend? Wanna look at the military defense budget for, say, any year.

Politicians- Only the ones with the balls to stand up for their own country? Yeah, I'll take that over a president who was to busy getting pleasured than to pull the trigger. Clinton could have sent a clear and strong message.

Thanks for answering my questions. I am not to this point yet. I want peoples ideas on the questions I asked. I know all the arguments, I want to start this as an investigation from start to end. That is the only way to find and/or prove the truth. I am tired of not bieng believed and defending myself. In the end if we find nanothermite and the passengers alive in Idaho, so be it.

[edit on 10-4-2007 by esdad71]

When are the buildings going to be built?

The money being spent in Iraq and Afganistan would have been spent any way?

You ask. for investigation but clearly state an agenda, going into an ivestigation with an agenda either leads to your proving yourself right or dismissing other views offhandedly. No matter what I write your position will not be altered. that by definition is not an "investigation".

OK, so far you have answered #4, that's great. How about the other 3?

Who benefitted?

1)Israel. I'm not blaming them but I'm not saying their innocent either. Israel has only enemies in the area. If the US is fighting their enemies, then that means they aren't and don't have to. Removing The Taliban and Saddam was a real benefit for them. If we invade Iran and stop their nuclear program, wouldn't Isreal be the biggest beneficiary? Plus the attack gained alot of sympathizers for the Israeli people. After they attack they were saying, see that what we go through every day. The American people being compassionate people naturally were drawn to them.

2)Defense and military contractors. The US claims it cares about the Iraqi people and wants them to experience democracy, but who is doing all the work over there. The Iraqi people know all about oil and war. So why do we outsource jobs the Iraqi's should be doing to what seems like only friends of the administration? Wouldnt that go along way to showing the Iraqi's we arent there to rape their country? The construction business and the oil business should be booming over there right now, but who is benefitting from it?

3)Security & Intelligence companies. Espescially the one that specialize in building and airport security. The biggest threat facing the US today as we are told is terrorism. And how do you combat terrorism? Security and Intelligence.

4)George W Bush. I was only a couple months prior to the attack that Mr Bush lost the popular vote and won the Presidency. After the attack, his approval ratings went over 90%. This is a benefit. Also, Mr Bush benefits from controlling the Afghanistan region and the oil in Iraq. You can't deny that he has a lot of "acquaintances" in the oil industry. After all, he is an "oil man."

5)Al-Queda. I recall after the attacks watching news reports about Al-Queda. The "terrorism experts" from the security and intelligence companies were on TV describing Al-Queda. They described them as not a large organization but one that was spread out over the globe. After 5 years of killing and detaining terrorists, they are responsible for damn near every terrorist attack that occurs. So it seems to me their organization has grown substantially. And why not, their leader is the only man in the world who can pull off an unbelievable attack against the only superpower. Not only that, he is still free and mocks The West.

6)The World Bank. They benefit from every war. And who is the president of the wold bank: Paul Wolfowitz. So when the bank makes money, Mr Wolfowitz makes money. Oh yeah, and he was also The United States Deputy Secretary of Defense.

7)The Administration Staff. Despite the complete and admitted incompetence, there were no demotions or firings. They remained in the jobs they completely failed at until it was time for them to move up. Whatever they did or didn't do on 9/11, it was worthy of promotion.

We those are some examples of people who benefitted.

Originally posted by esdad71

...For me, this is where some of the conspiracy theory starts to lose it’s credibility. We have to ask first

1. Who drew up the plan (names and why)
2. When was it drawn up
3. Why was it drawn up
4. Who would benefit from a 9/11 type event


1. Who drew up the plan? Let’s see. On one side we have the US government and on the other we have terrorists, namely Al-Qeada. Now,

That's how I personel do not start to investigate something.
On all 4 questions someone can only give a personel speculative and wrongly narrowed answer. For example in your own answer on question number 1 you speculate and narrow to gov and terrorist. But in fact it could be anybody as long as you do not have evidence to narrow it. You can only get a very speculative answer and say its more or less likely that this and this group was the wirepuller. Maybe that is something. But what is likely and what is reality doesnt have to be the same. This is therefore not so much of value. I rather approach from the fact side. If someone can prove that the official story is wrong (and this is all you need to do) than this has more value to me and you do not need to start speculation.

The fault of many conspiracy theorists is that they try to prove the official story wrong and at the same time mix in their own faulty theories and speculations.

I wanted to give my own opinion within the questions that I am asking. I want to know what others think, not just how I feel. I want to start with the Why?

To cut an already over rated, over run, drawn out, won’t do anything about it anyway, conspiracy theory shorter, I believe that the whole planet will participate in a mass culling under the pretence of a disease or alien invasion.

esdad71

I honestly think the answer of *WHY* lies within the realm of rational thought and analysis. I have one possible alternative theory as to what 'may' be the scenario.

We have to go back a bit. Back to Operation Northwoods. I do this only to highlight something many people have missed in their analysis on that document. We hear a lot about 'look at the type of things they were planning', but what we don't hear is 'but they were convinced Cuba was a threat'. Now I also think there is a whole world of shadowy elites, but for now I will limit this to the "WHY".

When we speak of Operation Northwoods remember it was basically people (JOINT CHIEFS) sitting down and plotting. But also at its root, there is the choices that all leaders and military men feel they must make.

This is the key. What is this choice based on? It is based on choosing the greater good vs the greater evil. They learn to think this way. Indeed to a certain extent we all do.

We choose the lesser of two evils all the time. Let me illustrate a perfect example.

The day of 9/11 if there had been a Military interception of the passenger Jet, the pilot would have been forgiven had he shot down the plane. Think about this for a moment.

The pilot would have killed innocent children, men and women. He in fact wold be guilty of this. But it is rationalized because it would *PREVENT* more death.

So this is this is important is understanding how rational humans can be told to kill and not question authority.

Now let us go back to Northwoods for a moment. Let us say that the Joint Chiefs saw a real danger with Communism and Cuba. So much so, that they would incite false flag operations that could take many different types of shapes. One of those was Terrorism.

So what they are doing is choosing the lesser of two evils in their mind and rationalizing it. They don't see themselves as guilty.

Now fast forward. Let us say, that indeed as you probably believe that Al'Qaeda is a major threat, in the future it would be only a matter of time until this crazy organization willl set off Nukes or something similar in a Major city.

Can you now see the thinking? They would draw up the plan with the idea that they are protecting millions and eliminating something that is a great threat to western civilization. This also has its benefits, namely OIL etc.

Now having said this. They might not realize that they are also pawns in this game. I point to an article from the 1920's.

It was by Winston Churchill. It is about Communism, Bolshevism, but if you read carefully between the lines he is speaking about much more then either the Jewish question or the question of politics. In this article he names the illuminati leader.

www.fpp.co.uk...

From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development

The next and following link is about the Illuminati, it is from the United States itself and Senate Investigation on Education.
www.jordanmaxwell.com...

Interestingly the quote there is about New York as the base for the Illuminati.

Now I am not saying they are behind this, but who knows? Churchill has alluded to a worldwide conspiracy, we know Roosevelts memorial stone warned about the New Order, saying it wasn't NEW and it isn't ORDER.

So I think there is much, much more going on then we realize. I only wanted to start with the why, and do it at the very basic level, where people rationalize things. It could go a lot deeper then we realize.

[edit on 10-4-2007 by talisman]

1. Who drew up the plan (names and why) - The Illuminati. It was NOT Al Qaeda (they are a creation of the CIA and ISI). It was NOT (directly) the US govt. They are controlled by a far greater force, which Pres Eisenhower warned us of in his farewell speech.

2. When was it drawn up - We could look at the The Project for the New American Century (PNAC), back in 2000, but I feel this was seeded well before then, before the First World War even. The overall objective, that is.

3. Why was it drawn up - to administer total control of the Middle East oil reserves and push ahead a New World Order objective in the long term.

4. Who would benefit from a 9/11 type event - The Elite - those of Illuminati bloodlines. Absolutely nobody else would benefit. Geopolitical power is the sole benefit.

Originally posted by esdad71
If 9/11 was an inside job, lets first look at what it would take to make this happen. First, you would need the plan drawn up and the right people contacted. For me, this is where some of the conspiracy theory starts to lose it’s credibility.

Here's where you start to lose me. THE conspiracy theory? and let me guess - the "Loose Change" one? Is this the only possibility worth considering?

1. Who drew up the plan? On one side we have the US government and on the other we have terrorists, namely Al-Qeada. Now, I know from research that Al-Qeada had this in motion in the late 90’s and almost pulled off another called Project Bojinka. Since 9/11 there has been no leaked document, anywhere, that states the US had a hand in the attacks. None.

Not directly, but the clues are there, even in the vaunted 9/11 Commission report.
I would propose some collaborative effort. Ex: the convenient CIA-managed terrorist network drew up the plan of attack and did all about as we're told, our guys jiggered a few things around to help it along. Now documents? How about Ben Sliney's first paycheck as FAA's NOM on 9/11? OR Leidig's log as stand-in head of the NMCC, or the documens of the air wargames? Etc...

And look at who benefitted. Where's Osama's global caliphate now? Just one spineless president away, if Faux News isto be believed. But in reality, as with the "old" Pearl Harbor, the USS Maine, the Lusitania, etc - look at who won these wars -it's quite likely they're the ones who started it - or at least invited the starting.

Well there were plans written up by the people controlling the Bush regime now, like Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Cheney, its called the Project For a New American Century, and its goal is to spread American dominance in global affairs.

www.newamericancentury.org...

Go read an article in there called "Rebuilding Americas Defenses" Read thru it all. It says very clearly how we are going into expand our influence (control) in the Middle East and any rogue country that doesnt follow along with the Agenda will be labeled as a terrorist state and removed.

On page 50 something, Im not sure exactly its around there, they say things like "this process of transformation will likely be a long one, absent some catalyzing and catastrophic event like a NEW PEARL HARBOUR" They actually say "new Pearl Harbour".

So what they are saying is, our plan of domination will take a long time, unless we had some "Pearl Harbour" like event to speed things up.

The people who wrote that came into power thru the Bush Regime, officially in January 2001...within months, look what happened...what George Bush called at the time "our pearl harbour" you tell me whether 911 is an inside job.

911 was an inside job, PNAC proves it. Theres also proof that the government already planned to blow up airliners and blame it on a foreign enemy, anyone ever heard of Operation Northwoods?

abcnews.go.com...

Operation Northwoods

The plan was to provoke a war with Cuba, and one of the methods proposed for doing that was to blow up airliners with American citizens in it over Cuba, and blame it on a missle attack from Castro.

The government already planned to kill american civilians in planes and blame it on foreign enemies as an excuse for war.

THAT IS WHY WE THINK 911 IS AN INSIDE JOB. BECAUSE THEY PLANNED IT WITH PNAC AND THEY PLANNED TO DO IT BEFORE!


[edit on 11-4-2007 by LightWorker13]

There's also Rumsfeld, PNAC core member, chairing the Rumsfeld Commission on 21st Century space warfare - report released in January 2001 made I think seven ref. to either a "Pearl Harbor" or "Space Perl Harbor" event.

Now I know this doesn't PROVE anything, but it feels a bit like pre-conditioning of some type.

Ok so why did they do it if it was an inside job for these reasons. It has been the foundation of everything that has followed it, the wars everything, so why did they do it?

Well for a simple reason: to increase their power. Simple isnt it?

Come on people, who benefits from 911? Arabs dont benefit, they get America up their ass, they get their friends family and children blown up by cluster bombs, they get to have their door kicked in and their houses raided. Thats all arabs have had to endure since this whole thing started.

Bin Laden doesnt benefit, hes on the run, hes probably dead, he is the equivalent to Hitler in the eyes of the world, he doesnt get nothing from this. If he did do it to destroy America, the exact opposite has happened, so what a failure it was if he did it, but he didnt.

The only people at all who benefit from 911 are the Illuminati Elite who use the American government as a vehicle to achieve foreign policy objectives, like conquering countries and stealing their resources and installing puppet regimes who bow down to your every word.

The government gets more power, more funding, they get to go to war and sell contracts and weapons, they get to make huge revenues from the oil while jacking up the prices so YOU have to pay more...they get to make huge revenues with the explosion of opium trade, once banned by the Taliban, now its 60 percent of the economy, the cultivation and exporting of DRUGS....drugs which generate huge money but that goes into the coffers of the Multi-nationals, not the Afghan people who slave in the fields...

They get to march into country after country who oppose them, saying how they have to spread freedom, plus they get to label anyone at home who dissents and who disagrees as anti-american and aiding terrorists, I mean the list goes on, they get nothing but power from this!!



[edit on 11-4-2007 by LightWorker13]

Originally posted by Caustic Logic
There's also Rumsfeld, PNAC core member, chairing the Rumsfeld Commission on 21st Century space warfare - report released in January 2001 made I think seven ref. to either a "Pearl Harbor" or "Space Perl Harbor" event.

Now I know this doesn't PROVE anything, but it feels a bit like pre-conditioning of some type.

So they put the plans in writing a year before, and still that is not considered proof, man well what does constitute proof then?

That document called for control of cyperspace if thats what your referring to...

1. Who drew up the plan? The Mossad
2. When was it drawn up? It’s been in the works for years.
3. Why was it drawn up? Israel has always wanted US presence in
the Middle East.
4. Who would benefit? Israel, of course, and 1000 other power
hungry idiots.

Only an outfit like the Mossad could have planned and carried out this atrocity in complete secrecy. And the powers that be knew what was coming.