Osama Never Admitted to 9/11?

I just heard recently but couldn't find anything online about Osama admitting (or not) to planning 9-11. I was under the impression that when terrorists do something like that, they immediately take responsibility. You'd think something like 911, one of the most successful (in their minds) attacks on the US, would give them pride and make them want to admit it.

My question is: How, if OBL didnt admit it, does this all tie to him? And even more puzzling, why the heck are we at war in Iraq? Were any of them Iraqis? (I ask these more because I want everyone to just sit back, not get caught up with "a plane didn't hit the Pentagon" and focus more on the larger picture.)

If you've ever watched "Wag the Dog" or "V for Vendetta", then it makes sense for a government to put together a string of lies for it's personal gain. If OBL and Saddam were patsies in a sense, who and what DID COMMIT the atrocities on 911?

Originally posted by bestideayet
My question is: How, if OBL didnt admit it, does this all tie to him?

He did admit to it, in two different videos.

Ok so from what I know:

OBL bombs WTC in the 90s, admits to it.

Years pass, we know where he is at one point, Sudan pretty much surrenders him to the US, but CLinton decided he doesn't wanna mess with him.
www.infowars.com...

Fast forward to 9-11-01. Two planes hit WTC 1, 2, and the Pentagon. It's widely considered the worst attack on American soil. In the days of a suicide bomber killing 20-30 people, and being revered, thousands of dead Americans would likely look AWESOME on Osama's resume. But he says he had nothing to do with it? transcripts.cnn.com...

During all the mess and in the rubble, a conveniently placed passport of one of the hijackers is found(this is too good): www.prisonplanet.com...

So then 19 men altogether are pretty much accused of hijacking the planes and being Al-Qaeda operatives. They're mostly Egyptian though, which is kind of a red flag. But we have our people, we feel safe knowing. But wait, the FBI says that the list might not be completely accurate.
911review.org...


Then guess what!? Some of those guys are found ALIVE!
news.bbc.co.uk...

And so is Mohammed Atta!
www.guardian.co.uk...

SO now we have not so credible evidence of so-called hijackers, some really badly planted evidence (who thought that one up guys?), and no one admitting to causing the worst terrorist attacks in US history.

But wait! Iraq and AL-Qaeda are connected!(So say US officials) but we later MUCH MUCH later find out its hogwash. (too little, too late I guess)
www.washingtonpost.com...

We go to war anyways, because Saddam has WMDs that could obliterate THE ENTIRE WORLD! (So say US officials) but we later find out that that, too, is a lie: www.lufkindailynews.com...

So now we are in a war, the guy we said had WMDs is dead (and his trial? don't even get me started on that one!) and cannot harm the US anymore, the other guy who supposedly planned 911 is in hiding somewhere, and our government has repeatedly lied to us.

Oh yea, the guy who didnt admit to 911 but was accused anyways? His family and our president's family are close friends.

Is anyone else AWAKE? I mean come one people! I love this country to death, and wouldn't be anywhere else in the world (well maybe Holland or Sweden), but to not be angry at this whole fiasco is just irresponsible. I hope you all can offer some insight, debate, anything. This issue has definitely come to a head. Smarter, more politically educated people, I welcome your theories and ideas as well!

Hasn't the FBI come out and said they have no credible evidence connecting OBL to 911? He's wanted for some other stuff, but not that. The president has said that HE'S not concerned about him.

As an aside, wouldn't it be great if they could somehow bottle Bush's mental state so that you could experience it for a couple of hours. It might get people off crack.

He did admit to it. More than once. He has been videotaped talking to other al-qaida members about the attacks, he has been seen on video in the presence of some of the hijackers, he has even come out and stated matter-of-fact that al-qaida did it.

www.pbs.org...
www.worldnetdaily.com...
www.nationalreview.com...
www.cbsnews.com...

Rest assured, Bin Laden, as the leader of Al-qaida, was responsible for this.

[edit on 3/31/07 by savage99]

Does anyone still believe that Al Qaeda exist? Ask yourself this, when did they come into your consciousness? Before or after 911? If anything they were remnants of the mujahadeen of Afghanistan, which were CIA connected. That is a fact.

If you go through that connection and the Iraq debacle today, what makes you think that they are not connected today to the general conspiracy that it was home grown plot?

I forget exactly when I first learned about Al-Qaida. It was either the embassy bombings in Africa, or the whole Somali-black hawk deal.


On second thought, I'm pretty sure that it was the Somali-blackhawk deal that first brought al-qaida to my attention.

[edit on 3/31/07 by savage99]

There's those that say the video's are fakes.
Even specialists on Alqaeda say that it isnt Osama.

The Taliban said that if the USA provided them direct evidence Osama committed the acts, they would hand Osama over post haste.

The US, instead, decided to invade and cause another quagmire.

Its all to suspicous to me, especially to say definitivley who's responsible.

The only thing im certain of, is we allowed it to happen.

Bin Laden actually denied any role in 9/11. Any tapes after December of 2001 of Bin Laden are fakes as there's evidence to support that that is the month Bin Laden died.

In Bin Laden's words:

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam."

Taken from his statement September 28th 2001:
911review.com...

Originally posted by Dirk Neptune
Bin Laden actually denied any role in 9/11. Any tapes after December of 2001 of Bin Laden are fakes as there's evidence to support that that is the month Bin Laden died.

I would be interested in that evidence. Could you please provide a link to the information?

The four videos below go into detail about Osama Bin Laden's words you quoted. It touches upon some of the other leaders in Al Queda, and what they have to say as well. Be sure to read the words.


www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by savage99
He did admit to it. More than once. He has been videotaped talking to other al-qaida members about the attacks, he has been seen on video in the presence of some of the hijackers, he has even come out and stated matter-of-fact that al-qaida did it.

Bin Laden did it but the FBI's not looking for him & Bush couldnt care less about his whereabouts..

Originally posted by bestideayet
OBL bombs WTC in the 90s, admits to it.

Oh no, if he "admitted" to that then it's definitely wrong. The FBI came clean on that one and said that there were trying to instigate a terrorist cell to act, so that they could arrest them, and in the process the FBI supplied an explosive device to the cell via a man named Emad Salem. Mr. Salem taped phone conversations with the FBI, which is probably why this information is public.

OBL denied responsibility for 9/11 several times immediately after the event. It was only a significant amount of time afterwards that the "confession" video came out that the US military allegedly found in the basement of a house in a bombed-out Afghan city. Then a December tape comes out and once against Osama doesn't claim responsibility. And "he" doesn't again, until 2004. Personally, I think he died in 2001 or 2002, as this was reported in the Mid-East and he was having medical complications, lugging around a dialysis machine.

I wonder the same thing: if he did it then why not immediately claim responsibility? Why continually deny it and suggest either US factions or Israel was behind if it was supposed to be some symbolic attack of how he hates American "freedom" or whatever the line is?

Originally posted by GwionX

Originally posted by Dirk Neptune
Bin Laden actually denied any role in 9/11. Any tapes after December of 2001 of Bin Laden are fakes as there's evidence to support that that is the month Bin Laden died.

I would be interested in that evidence. Could you please provide a link to the information?

Sure.
www.welfarestate.com...
www.whatreallyhappened.com...
archives.cnn.com...

He never admitted on the embassy attacks, attacks on the U.S.S. Cole, and attacks on 9/11, yet you see his group use the videos and his audio and videos praising attacks, and since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and relentless search for him, he admits he was involved, the cats out of the bag, no more denying it. As he said previously in previous attacks against the U.S. he would said that he encouraged it, but never got involved.

"All warfare is based on deception"-Sun Tzu

"I'm fighting so I can die a martyr and go to heaven to meet God. Our fight now is against the Americans."-Osama Bin Laden

"We say our terror against America is blessed terror in order to put an end to suppression, in order for the United States to stop its support to Israel."-Osama Bin Laden

"If inciting people to do that is terrorism, and if killing those who kill our sons is terrorism, then let history be witness that we are terrorists."-Osama Bin Laden

"We will continue to fight you as long as we have weapons in our hands."-Osama Bin Laden

"We fought with you because we are free, and we don't put up with transgressions. We want to reclaim our nation. As you spoil our security, we will do so to you."-Osama Bin Laden

"And as I was looking at those towers that were destroyed in Lebanon, it occurred to me that we have to punish the transgressor with the same, and that we had to destroy the towers in America, so that they taste what we tasted and they stop killing our women and children."-Osama Bin Laden

"Free people do not relinquish their security. This is contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. Let him tell us why we did not strike Sweden, for example."-Osama Bin Laden

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies — civilians and military — is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim.-Osama Bin Laden's Fatwa.

Originally posted by deltaboy
He never admitted on the embassy attacks, attacks on the U.S.S. Cole, and attacks on 9/11, yet you see his group use the videos and his audio and videos praising attacks, and since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and relentless search for him, he admits he was involved, the cats out of the bag, no more denying it. As he said previously in previous attacks against the U.S. he would said that he encouraged it, but never got involved.

Not sure what your point is, but judging from this paragraph you aren't much of a writer.

Originally posted by Dirk Neptune


Not sure what your point is, but judging from this paragraph you aren't much of a writer.

You are mocking me...maybe you just don't know how to read. I should try to be more clear on the subject...

1. In previous attacks on America, he would deny involvement, instead he would say he encouraged other people to fight against Americans.

2. As years pass since 9/11 he would finally admitted his involvement, even though previously he says he had nothing to do with it. Get it?

I'm not in the position to go write a dissertation in here, otherwise I be editing every paragraph and sentence.

reply to post by dscomp

i understand the whole 911 events. it has nothing to do with al quida and everything to do with hamas.hamas is arabian govnt (not terrorist group.) saddam did not have weapons mass destrucion. saddam was in full support of hamas. hamas or freedm fighters, have charter they follow. following that hamas needs to rid israel as israel is not even supposed to be there in the first place. establishing themselves in HOLY LAND. back to 911 wtc, the bush admin blew towers to get the excuse to invade to stop the supporters of hamas. come on, everyone seen the wtc buildings in slow motion? the bombs were exploding in the buildings, also bush actually admitted to explosives in the towers. then building 7,, mayor said " pull building 7. 911 files were finally released to public, i hope the public goes to town with the evidence and takes the bush admin down. next usa will invade iran saying the same as iraq, weapons of mass destruction. no weapons will be found but irans support for hamas will be less. they say iran has nuclear weapons, that is soo far from the truth. iran has nuclear power not nuclear weapons. iran is legally allowed to have nuclear powerplants. totally and completely within iran legal rightsto have nuclear power. iran has never in the history books, started a war. the hamas has alot of support from many countries. more than 19 countries. one needs to ask oneself why soo many countries fully support hamas when hamas is supposedly terrorist group? they wouldnt. hamas are fighting for freedom of the holyland, their soverign rights. alsovery interesting to read hamas charter. you guys make up your own mind. but with 911 having so many flaws, from the untouched passport found, the hole in pentagon does not match the plane size that hit it, supposed terrorists now being found alive, the freefall speed of the building collapse, wtc7 not even hit byplane but fell at freefall speed, (no building in the history of the world has collapsed due to a fire) when bush was told of attack, not even the slightest bit of expression on his face (only man in the world it did not bother). just to mention a few. you guys be the judge. we are all smart people. rember the laws that bush placed the day after the collapse? patriot act. violates your freedoms and soverign rights. a law they tried to pass after the previous 911 bombing in the 90's but could not pass it as not enough people died. this time they did it right and got it passed. i fully believe my theories as it all meakes sense. if anyone sees a flaw in my ideas then plz let me know and i will find facts and evidence to fully support my idea. thanx

reply to post by Dirk Neptune


And as your proof, you use an article that was discredited long ago. The writer in question submitted a list of questions to the Taliban government in Kabul. The next day, his list was returned to him with answers for each question and he wrote his article like it was an interview, when in fact, he never once spoke to Osama.

reply to post by Isthistaken


Wrong. There were two groups of fighters in Afghanistan. One were Afghans fighting for their freedom, these were the men that the CIA supplied. The other group were Arab Muslims that were supplied and trained by people like Osama.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Would you show us some proof to support your claim, and please will you site your sources, thank you. We are looking for facts, not opinions.