Alien deals with Earth Governments

So I guess most of the stories go a little something like "The aliens entered into a pact with the United States government which allows the aliens to abduct and do experiments on U.S. citizens in exchange for things like technology?"

This is a fun story and everything, but when you think logically about it, it doesn't really make much sense at all. Why would beings, possibly millions of years ahead of us, need any kind of pacts or deals to do anything? If they wanted to annihilate all of us they probably already would have. If they want to swoop down and abduct random people then they will. Why does everyone assume that extraterrestrial civilizations would care about our "rules" or "feelings" and do things according to how our government wants them done?

I am curious to hear people's opinions about why this "story" is actually true...

Story is false IMHO. Just fairy tales...

Originally posted by tock
Story is false IMHO. Just fairy tales...

You think the story is false, but yet you went out of your way to meet up with the disclosure project for training exercises or something like that? lol...

[edit on 27-3-2007 by Diplomat]

Please keep it civil and watch the one liners.

As for my opinion on the topic:

I don't believe there have been any sort of contacts as deep as this, let alone deals.

It would be impossible to hold back a secret so massive like intelligent life from another planet actually setting foot on our planet.

I am not convinced that aliens are working with the government.

However, I can think of one scenario where they might...

Aliens need/want to do their chores on Earth. Sometimes they are seen by people, radar, pilots, etc. As advanced as the aliens are, they might want to remain hidden from most of us. To do that, they would need some help from the powers that be on Earth, to keep them a secret and deny their existance.

Now, if they agree with the government/military that they will not cause great harm to us, provided their actions can be covered up, then it might be win/win both ways.

So, when the aliens are spotted, the government/military go into cover-up/deny/damage control mode to keep a lid on their activities. The government/military win by not having mass panic. The aliens win by covertly going about their business almost oblivious to most of the population. If there was no such agreement in place, then the government/military could make it a little more difficult for the aliens to work in secret, by raising the alert world-wide, to report any and all alien sightings at once.

I'm not stating that as fact! It is just my opinion on one way that the the aliens might agree to work with the government/military. Afterall, secrecy might be their preferred option, so anything to maintain it would be feasible.

WOW !!!

/high five, Diplomat !!

As to why they might interact with Governments...hmmm...

Maybe it's a fairness ethic.
I really have no idea.

I only wish they were actually here, and show themselves.

Lex

Originally posted by Diplomat

Originally posted by tock
Story is false IMHO. Just fairy tales...

You think the story is false, but yet you went out of your way to meet up with the disclosure project for training exercises or something like that? lol...

[edit on 27-3-2007 by Diplomat]

I believe in ETs. I don't think they would have any deals with the military or government. At least not yet, that make come to change.
So don't put words in my mouth.

perhaps the aliens are exremely polite and respectful and want to make a great first immpresion on the people of earth so they wont freak out and start killing them

Originally posted by mr man
perhaps the aliens are exremely polite and respectful and want to make a great first immpresion on the people of earth so they wont freak out and start killing them

IF the story is correct about the pact they made with the U.S government then are everything but polite!

Where did I put words in your mouth? I restated that you said you believe the alien/government stories to be false. I then made a comment about something I was reading regarding your disclosure project trips or whatever...


[edit on 27-3-2007 by Diplomat]

The way I have heard it and you will read when you research it, President Eisenhower vanished in tthe wee hrs of the night(something like 2 or 3am). The story was that he had an "emergency filling". Ever heard of such a thing? In actuality, a couple folks who claimed to be there, the name Philip Corso rings a bell. I think it was his name, state it was a metting with a race of aliens like us. They were peacful taller better built beings than us. They offered to get rid of the less friendly Grays if we got rid of nuclear technology. This was not possible seeing as how we were at odds with Russia. The race had probably better technology than even the grays but, they knew we couldn't handle it and would destroy ourselves. The grays countered offered. They offered us the technology we would need to keep any enemy of the US at bay for an exchange of the ability to test on Cattle and humans.


To answer your questions, if you factor in the story as I have posted from the best of my recollection, the answers appear. The Grays made a deal to avoid the other alien race who could have otherwised banished them. The grays agreed to a certain number of cattle and humans to test and abduct. You are very correct how they do not have to make this deal. This is why we got some apparent new advanced technology but, not as much as they promised. We should have been much more advanced by now if they kept there word. In further consideration, the grays abduct who and however many humans they please without answering to anyone. This is what is believed to make disclosure something that could crush our peoples faith hope and belief in the Govmnt. Also, to have less than a comfortable feeling about there lives here on earth.

Heres probably a better articulated version of the story.

www.american.edu...

It doesn't make sense to me. Why would they need to make a pack with any government? If they have the technology to travel the universe then they have the power to abduct anyone they want with or without permission and there isn't a whole lot that any government will be able to do about it. If anything the story is made up to support the belief that our government has some level of control or partnership with the aliens and are not completely powerless.

Wow...I thought I just explained it!!

I don't believe this. The only documents which have anything like that would be the Krill documents, I think. And those were proven to be fake.

Honestly, I don't know what to think as far as this topic goes. I don't know why everyone thinks that aliens are more advanced than us. It could be possible that we have technology that they don't have and vice versa.

I would expect two different creatures to have two seperate outlooks as to what is considered to be useful and useless. What we would value in the aspect of being good for transportation, they might see it as being useless because there are better methods and so on.

As for aliens making deals, I would expect them to do so. Just because they 'supposedly' have 'better' technology doesn't mean that we can't beat the crap out of them. Theres nothing worse than really motivated humans, imo :\

[edit on 27-3-2007 by CidCaldensfey]

Originally posted by WAZZIT32
Wow...I thought I just explained it!!

You explained it well.

Its a really interesting prospective, and I think is very plausible.

Thanks for the insight.

Edit to include:

And thanks for the link, nice one!

[edit on 27-3-2007 by Seeker PI]

Uhhmmm...please don't bring up the name Philip Corso ever again. He is a fraud and even the History Channel debunked his claims of receiving certain technologies from the Aliens. That man's name should never be brought up when seriously discussing Aliens/UFOs.

Originally posted by WAZZIT32
They offered us the technology we would need to keep any enemy of the US at bay for an exchange of the ability to test on Cattle and humans.

First of all, nice "story." Second of all, if we have this superior technology that can, as you say, "keep ANY enemy of the US at bay," then how the hell do you explain Al Qaeda attacking us? How did we let Pearl Harbor get bombed like that if we have this super-secret technology? LOL... that story is a bunch of B.S.

Really??I had no idea. I'll have to do a little research on this as I was led to consider others collaberated his story. If you have any links about him being fraudulant, please post them. Otherwise, if what you say is true, I give the idea of an agreement of such importance, no chance of being true.

I just seem to remember a really strong case made about that claim.

Originally posted by WAZZIT32
Really??I had no idea. I'll have to do a little research on this as I was led to consider others collaberated his story. If you have any links about him being fraudulant, please post them. Otherwise, if what you say is true, I give the idea of an agreement of such importance, no chance of being true.

I just seem to remember a really strong case made about that claim.

I don't have a link. It was an hour long documentary on the History Channel specifically about Philip Corso's claims. It has been aired twice in the last month as far as I know...