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reply posted on 21-3-2007 @ 11:13 AM by Marduk
Bruttium was settled by the greeks around 550bce
it was conquered by the romans about 230 years later
so this coin can only have been made between about 500 and 300bce
as I actually already dated the coins in my first post to between 500bce and 300bce I now feel the need to elaborate a little more
on one side of the coin reclining is heracles (Roman Hercules)
on the other is his mother Hera (Roman Juno)

thesedays Bruttium is called Calabria
heres wiki
en.wikipedia.org...
Calabria was first settled by Italic Oscan-speaking tribes. Two of these tribes included the Oenotri (roughly translated into the "vine-cultivators") and the Itali. Greek contact with the latter resulted in the entire peninsula (modern Italy) taking the name of the tribe.

of course this doesn't mean that the coin is genuine
it could just as easily be a contemporary copy
and the patina is indicative of this
but really
only a coin dealer could give you a proper appraisal
if you do that make sure you tell him that you just want it valued and make sure that he knows its a family heirloom which you have no desire to sell
otherwise hes likely to tell you its worthless and he'll take it off your hands for a dollar



reply posted on 26-3-2007 @ 09:33 AM by bothered
I'm thinking you may have found a plant.

rg.ancients.info...

Indications of a cast counterfeit:

* With clay, sand, and plaster casting, soapy or slippery surfaces, soft or missing details, and round, mushy boundaries where the devices and legends meet the coin's field (the angle should be close to 90 percent). However, these characteristics may not be present or present as visibly in high-quality casts made with other methods, including lost wax casting (can be used in conjunction with other casting methods), pressure casting, centrifugal casting, and vacuum casting.
* A seam around the edge where the two sides of the mold joined together. However, depending on the casting method used, the seam can be removed before or after the coin is cast. If removed afterward by filing and polishing, filing or polishing marks are sometimes visible, particularly under a microscope, and the edge often winds up too smooth or flat. On the other hand, ancient coins made from cast flans may show evidence of a casting seam.
* Small pits into the coin's surface or small bumps rising up from it, both caused by air bubbles created during the casting process. However, these artifacts may not appear if pressure, centrifugal, or vacuum casting was used. Also, genuine coins often show some pitting, or porosity, caused by corrosion, though these pits are typically sharper at their edges, wider at their openings, and less round than pits caused by casting. Genuine coins can also have small bumps if made from rusty or worn dies.
* Light weight (or sometimes too heavy). However, genuine ancient coins often exhibit a fairly large range of weights, more so with bronze coins than silver coins, more so with silver coins than gold coins.


This is a very interesting site, and tells of how to go about stopping fraud. I found it amazing someone operated on Ebay for 4 years, undetected. The dead give away for me was a reminder in how ancient coins are struck. With repetitive force, requiring sharp angles.


reply posted on 21-8-2007 @ 03:26 PM by Jazzerman
To the original poster:

The coin is a reproduction, probably a souvenir of some sort though. Realize I base my opinion on this having previously been an Ancient and Medieval Numismatist for a number of years. The general wear patterns are not what you would find on a Greek or Roman coins, and the reverse side is too bold to be ancient.

Also, one of the biggest indicators that the coin is a reproduction is the way in which the coin was produced. Both Greek and Roman coins were produced using the "hammering" method whereas two metal molds would be cut with the design, then the coin would be heated and placed between the molds. Then someone would literally take a hammer and pound the molds once or twice to get the impression on the coins surface. Now, if you look at the coin displayed in the picture it clearly shows signs of being cast. Casting is a method of pouring liquid metal into a mold and letting it cool, and this method was rarely used in the production of ancient coinage. A strong indication that it is a Cast coin is the "wavy lines" on the surface of the coin (both on the image itself and on the surface), whereas a hammered coin would have no lines or straight lines radiating from the center. If you look at the obverse (face side) of the coin you will see these same wavy lines on the cheek bones and forehead of the individual represented on the coin. This is not consistant with common wear patterns that appear on ancient coins, and actually is another strong indication that the wear patterns that appear on the coin were actually placed there intentionally. If wear was of a consistant pattern then those wavy lines of metal on the highest points of the surface would be completely smooth.

Now, the argument could be made that those lines are caused by a porous surface, which has been known to happen. However, porous surfaces on coinage are completely different in appearance than a Cast coin when shown in comparison. This alone is a strong indicator that this coin is a reproduction...especially when coupled with the fact it shows evidence of having been electroplated, cleaned, and possibly treated in a chemical bath.

Here is one website that shows some common counterfeiting methods (there are a couple of different pages showing things to look out for...read through it for detailed information):

Identifying fake ancient coins

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