Four-year-olds will get gay fairytales at school

First off,im not against gays or anything.
But i think what people do behind close doors,should stay there.
Peoples sexual preference shouldnt be forced taught anywhere.
And if it is to be taught,it should be by the parents of the child,not a school.

(DailyMail.UK)-Schools are teaching children as young as four about same-sex relationships to comply with new gay rights laws, it emerged yesterday.

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They are introducing youngsters to homosexuality using a series of story books in preparation for controversial regulations coming into force next month.

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Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in a £600,000 Government-funded study aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian relationships.

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WHAT?? Isn't this child abuse??!!! 4 years old?! They can barely understand spoken English!!

WTF?????

[edit on 12-3-2007 by mirageofdeceit]

Originally posted by Black_Fox
First off,im not against gays or anything.
But i think what people do behind close doors,should stay there.
Peoples sexual preference shouldnt be forced taught anywhere.
And if it is to be taught,it should be by the parents of the child,not a school.

Uh huh. And, "Some of my best friends are (Fill in the Blank)..."


First off, it's sexual Orientation; not preference.

One may be oriented towards breathing as a means to continue one's life; one may prefer to breathe clean air.


Secondly,

As to the concept of keeping what goes on behind closed doors private, I tend to agree.

But how are we going to get all those straight, heterosexual couples to stop hugging, kissing and holding hands right out in public where little four year olds can see them?

What's sauce for the goose is suace for the gander.


And Finally,
I agree, parents Should be the ones held responsible for teaching their children about sexuality.

Unfortunately, Most parents don't know enough about sexuality themselves to keep their spawn from boinking like bunnies at the first opportunity!


P.S.: I don't know about anyone else, but I was speaking in full sentences by the time I was 18 months old. By my fourth year, I was reading.

What are you talking about? Stories have men and wemon getting married, so why not a man and a man or a woman and a womon? Seems fair to me...

Edit: I r bad at grammar

[edit on 12-3-2007 by WhOo0]

this is great. finally we'll get to see fairy tales that aren't dominated by traditional misogynistic gender roles. the prince won't come in and save the helpless innocent princess.

So what, they are being read a story with a couple that is'nt a man and
a woman, it's not lie they are showing them hardcore pornography or
anything like that.

I think that it is the schools job to teach a fair, neutral and unbiased view
about sexuality, that does not discriminate, and should teach equality and
acceptance.

I say this because, well lets be honest, there are parents who are not
going to do so.

I just went through this on another thread about 7 year olds and up. So I'm not about to go through it again here. I am just going to say. NOOOOO!!!!! Tooooo young to teach such issues.

All I have to ask is whether these "fairy tales" are any good? Are they interesting? Will they suspend disbelief and keep a bunch of kids interested, captivated and excited? I've heard or read plenty of stories with heterosexual couples in them which were, frankly, boring. When you are a little kid, the story is everything.

I believe I will chime in on this one:
For starters, for all those screaming about these books, have they at leasted read any of them or will it be like the stink over the Harry Potter series, that most very consertative christians put out?
As I recall, back when I was around 6/7 PBS ran a show called My mom is having a Baby, and it put in simple terms that all could understand, where babies come from. It did not go into the details, but did educate children about the birds and the bees.
If these books can teach children, be it from the age of them able to pick up a book and read, tastefully about relationships, then I am all for it.

The way i see it is, its wrong to even teach this stuff at any age till maybe 16 plus when the child can figure out which way in life they want to go, as for 4 years old OMG... thats defiantly influencing the children into thinking being gays ok and normal if you ask me which it is not ok or at all normal is it? if it was normal the human race would cease to exist wouldn't it or God would of just made either everyone a man or a woman eh......

This is another fine example of Political Correctness bs.......

I have to disagree there.

My view on teaching people controversial information is to give it to them as early as possible.
The human mind does not take well to drastic change... it's a rather fragile piece of equipment when you stand back and look at it.

Essentially if you let the mind become accustomed to certain information (or lack of information) it get's too comfortable, and starts to build it's understanding of the world around that false information. If you let this understanding of the world get too entrenched, new information is simply rejected. It's simply too hard to re-make your entire view of the world, so most minds reject the new information outright... or become damaged trying to assimilate the new information.

We see this in children that have gone too long without sex education. When they become of age to actually go forth and reproduce, they have only one understanding of the topic... the same one that has been engrained in them for so long, the idea that sex is simply bad, and your parents will be angry with you.
Think about that and try to please your wife at the same time. lol.

I do not believe it's a good thing to withold ANY information, regardless of age. The mind is most adaptive at a young age, it's intended to take in all the hard to take information at a young age. It's called the learning process, something children are alot better at than ourselves.


I can't stand this whole "I have to keep my child sheltered from the world, and make sure they stay ignorant" it's bull****.Youre child is going to learn about these things one way or another... its best if it's given to them by someone who cares, instead of some misinformed childhood friend. Get YOUR version of it into the kids head before the other kids start talking about it.

If people really thought that a child should learn certain things at older ages, then you wouldnt be teaching them about god or the bible until they were 16 or so... you know... that way they can make an informed decision.
Give me a break.

And the indoctrination of our youth continues...The normalization of deviant behavior, anti-god, anti-country, antisocial little people who wont even have a chance to be American. Or, rather, the chance they have will be scorned by their teachers whose socialist, "everyone is equal" (BS! Equal Opportunity should be the goal) mindset.

There is such a thing as standards. It doesn't matter if you *whiny voice* hate it, hate it, hate it!

Sorry to post again on the subject so soon, but I feel strongly on the subject.

I was brought up knowing what sexual intercourse is. I knew what homo-sexuality was. I cannot remember being taught about the "birds and the bees" because I was brought up knowing about it.

I didn't have sex until I was 18. Why? Because I already knew what it was, I didn't need to experiment. I knew I wouldn't be ready to make the decision until I was older, so I didn't.

My hormones kicked in at an early age. I know that if I had not known what those hormones were, I definately would have experimented to find out. As I'm sure alot of kids would.
I knew a handful of kids around the end of grade 8 who were sexually active. They had not been taught what sex was by their parents. All they knew was their hormones were kicking in and they wanted to use them.
THAT is what sheltering your kids from this does!

I also grew up knowing what murder, rape, and warfare is. Which is why I am so heavily against all three. I was educated on the subject.
Teaching your kids what the controversial parts of life are, doesnt mean you're telling them to do it. It's the opposite. Youre teaching them what to avoid, and how to address those issues in a civilized manner.

Sheltering children from information is the LAST thing a parent should EVER do.

[edit on 13-3-2007 by johnsky]

I miss the days when Homosexuality in stories and cartoons were innuendoes. Kids who are born w/ a natural disposition towards wanting to be in a same-sex relationship would pick up on it, and realize that it isn't so weird. And kids who aren't that way, wouldn't pick up on it, and thus wouldn't be confused, and their parents wouldn't think their child is being 'persuaded'. And everyone is happy.

I realize this is a fairytale, but it all applies.

Ren & Stimpy
Rocko's Modern Life
Angry Beavers
Ed, Edd, & Eddy
SpongeBob
etc.

They all have the homosexual sides to them, and it's just enough to make kids wonder, but not enough to force. I like it that way better.

my $0.02

People what is this site all about, denying ignorace, children are being taught to understand what is going on around them, not to grow up with a mind full of hate or ignorance much of which starts in the home and is reinforced as a child gets older.

As a perfect example of this ignorance my wife told me that a work colleagues child had said on seeing a coloured person, mam is that a 'n-word', the child is 4 years old. that childs mind is already being polluted by the parents. Sometimes parents dont know best, parents have a duty to ensure that they dont breed the next generation of haters and racists.

Originally posted by Arcane Demesne
I miss the days when Homosexuality in stories and cartoons were innuendoes. Kids who are born w/ a natural disposition towards wanting to be in a same-sex relationship would pick up on it, and realize that it isn't so weird. And kids who aren't that way, wouldn't pick up on it, and thus wouldn't be confused, and their parents wouldn't think their child is being 'persuaded'. And everyone is happy.

Now that you mention it, I watched episodes of Ren and Stimpy recently and totally picked up on innuendo that I never did as a kid. It does seem like totally harmless stuff; when I finally realized it I thought it was cute.

Whether you like it or not, gay people have children - and those chlidren go to school. My son is one of them. He could be in your kid's class.

Sooner or later your child will have to know that my child has two moms. Sooner or later your child will ask why.

More than likely, your child won't ask you. Your child will ask my child right then and there. Sooner or later some child won't understand the answer my child provides and a teacher will be brought into the conversation to explain it.

The bottom line is that your child will, sooner or later, know that some families aren't just like their families. Some families have one parent, some have two. Some families have a mom and a dad, some families have two moms or two dads. That is so simple. Are your children too slow to get that? No, your children will understand it much better than some of you do.

Now, would you rather have a teacher tell a fairy tale, or would you rather my son explain it on the playground? Does it really matter which?

Originally posted by Black_Fox
i think what people do behind close doors,should stay there.

...and it is staying there. The idea is to teach children that there are other types of families in the world. They are not teaching children how to have "gay" sex.

We've had Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, and a host of straight fairy tales for ages, yet we never once said, "Oh dear don't teach our children about straight sex at the age of four!" Fairy tales aren't about sex, you already know that.

I say lets also teach them about adults who wear nappies. Who are they hurting - No One. And then why not BME. I mean, its a part of life.

Hell lets just throw children into a pub and let the bums fight over them.

It's all life eh.. pfft...

Originally posted by blobby
The way i see it is, its wrong to even teach this stuff at any age till maybe 16 plus when the child can figure out which way in life they want to go, as for 4 years old OMG... thats defiantly influencing the children into thinking being gays ok and normal if you ask me which it is not ok or at all normal is it? if it was normal the human race would cease to exist wouldn't it or God would of just made either everyone a man or a woman eh......

This is another fine example of Political Correctness bs.......

definitely got to agree there. the gay rights movement,under the guise of being "neutral", is attempting to indoctrinate our children into their disgusting lifestyle. i know i will catch a lot of flak for saying anything against the almighty queer,but,no, it is not normal to be queer. this is evidenced by the fact that no children can be had by such a process. you must go to ridiculous,outrageous means to get children if you are gay. queers do not need to be teaching children how to be queer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Two Words:

Population Control

Yeah lets start young. Lets turn all these little kids into homo's and lezbo's so that teen pregnancy will be a thing of the past. Brilliant...

... there should be a sarcasm font.