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There are several reddish stains on the shroud suggesting blood. Dark red stains, shown to contain iron oxide and asserted to be a result of the presence of medieval pigment (McCrone, W. C., The Microscope, 29, 1981) Walter McCrone (see above) identified these as containing iron oxide. McCrone suggested that the presence of iron oxide was like due to simple pigment materials used in medieval times. Other researchers, including Alan Adler, a chemist specializing in analysis of porphyrins, identified the reddish stains as type AB blood.
Dr's Heller and Adler further studied the dark red stains. Applying pleochroism, birefringence and chemical analysis, they determined that, unlike the medieval artist’s pigment which contains iron oxide contaminated with manganese, nickel and cobalt, the iron oxide on the shroud was relatively pure but later proven to be iron oxide resulting from blood stains (Heller, J. H., Adler, A. D. 1980). Dr Adler then proceeded to apply microspectrophotometric analysis of a "blood particle" from one of the fibrils of the shroud and unmistakably identified haemoglobin (in the acid methemoglobin form due to great age and denaturation). Further tests by Heller and Adler established, within scientific certainty, the presence of porphyrin, bilirubin, albumin and protein. In fact, when proteases (enzymes which break up protein within cells) were applied to the fibril containing the "blood," the blood dissolved from the fibril leaving an imageless fibril (Heller, J. H., and Adler, A. D. 1981). . It is uncertain whether the blood stains were produced at the same time as the image, which Adler and Heller attributed to premature aging of the linen.. Working independently with a larger sample of blood containing fibrils, pathologist Pier Baima Bollone, using immunochemistry, confirms Heller and Adler’s findings and identifies the blood of the AB blood group (Baima Bollone, P., La Sindone-Scienza e Fide 1981).
The particular shade of red of the supposed blood stains are supposed to be problematic according to sceptics of the shrouds authenticity. Normally, whole blood stains discolour relatively rapidly, turning to a black-brown colour, while these stains range from a red/brown colour. Proponents of the shrouds authenticity point out that fading of blood stains over the years turned the black-brown colour to the red/brown colour presently observed. Also, some scientists suggest that the stains result from the liquid exuded by blood clots. In the case of severe trauma, as evidenced by the Man of the Shroud, this liquid would include a mixture of bilirubin and oxidized haemoglobin, which could remain red indefinitely.
Originally posted by andy1033
people should just ask themselves why now. this place may of been found ages ago, but why now, are they bringing it out into the open.
seeing as we are just entering the new age of aquarius. whats the point of bringing it out now.
[edit on 2/26/2007 by andy1033]
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Let me ask you a question. Why should the vatican continue to allow experiments done on the shroud when there were batteries of tests done on it throughout the 70s and 80s? Nothing conclusive was ever decided about the shroud. Either one believes that it is real, or one doesn't.
the 1988 radiocarbon dating was a fraudulent experiment due to erroneous sampling and alleged collusion between experimenters and the Vatican; and repeated peer-reviewed analyses of the image mode which have ruled out medieval pigments as a course of the image and proved to Judicial standards that blood is present on the cloths.
Many people are lashing out at both of these religions because they view them as being creators of war...
At the time of Gennadious (Patriarch of Constantino from 458 to 471) the hand of a painter was withere who decided to paint the saviour in the likeness of Zeus (with long hair). Gnenadious healed him by means of a prayer. The author (Theodorus Lector) says that the other from of Christ, that is, the one with Short, frizzy hair, is more authentic.
Originally posted by Gatordone
Remember when Dolly was the first cloned Mammal? About the same time arson was committed against the church in Turin. As I watched CNN report on these seemingly un-connected events I immediately thought, "wow, someone doesn't want a sample of the shrouds blood to be cloned! Would that be the second coming if anyone pulled it off?"
Originally posted by Gatordone
It would however, if viable at all, answer the black Jesus debate.
No i guess not after all with still no proof of authenticity...