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Originally posted by kindred
A Warmonger Explains War to a Peacenik
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I guess the moral of that story is - Never try to reason with a Warmonger. You will lose. The only thing that motivates these people is ignorance and hatred.
Combat for Dummies
Advice and instructions taken from actual American military sources.
"Aim towards the enemy."
--Instruction printed on U.S. Rocket Launcher
"When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend."
--U.S. Marine Corps
"Cluster bombing from B-52s is very, very accurate. The bombs are guaranteed to always hit the ground."
--USAF Ammo Troop
"If the enemy is in range, so are you."
--Infantry Journal
"A slipping gear could let your m203 grenade launcher fire when you least expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit."
--Army's magazine of prevention maintenance
"It is generally inadvisable to eject directly over the area you just bombed." US Air Force manual
"Try to look unimportant; the enemy may be low on ammo."
--Infantry Journal
"Tracers work both ways."
--U.S. Army Ordnance
"Five-second fuses only last three seconds."
--Infantry Journal
"Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid."
"If your attack is going too well, you're walking into an ambush."
--Infantry Journal
"No combat-ready unit has ever passed inspection."
--Joe Gay
"Any ship can be a minesweeper....once."
--Anon
"Never tell the platoon sergeant you have nothing to do."
--Unknown Marine Recruit
"Don't draw fire; it irritates the people around you."
--Infantry Journal
"If you see a bomb technician running, try to keep up with him."
--USAF Ammo Troop
Originally posted by GiantPanda1979
Stumason... I Don't think a 2020 Iran could repel an American or Isreali attack. I don't belive we could occupy Iran (look at what Iraq has done). I do think we could blow them back to the stone age if we really needed too. I hope it doesnt come to conflict but if it does, my moneys on the U.S.A any day of the week...
Originally posted by johnsky
I'm hearing alot of underestimation of the Iranian military, and I think it's freaking hilarious, and I'd love to be looking at you when your jaw hits the floor over just how many american soldiers are being slaughtered.
Originally posted by johnsky
I'm hearing alot of underestimation of the Iranian military, and I think it's freaking hilarious, and I'd love to be looking at you when your jaw hits the floor over just how many american soldiers are being slaughtered.
But, like always, they will undoubtedly censor that from your news too.
Wow, I think I'd be going nuts living in the States, what with the horrible lack of actual information in your news.
Seriously, your news stations never actually state any facts, they only state rumors. And most Americans soak it up without question.
Question your government people, that is the POINT to democracy.
Make them justify their actions, and if they cannot... oust them.
This is the way of the free world... having freedom has nothing to do with blind loyalty to a president.
Demand he explain himself.
Originally posted by BlueRaja
I think you could look at their performance against the Iraqis as an indicator of their proficiency. How many hundreds of thousands were killed with a stalemate being the outcome? Iran has never fought a first world military, so even though they have more modern weapons than in the 80s, so do we.
With regards to censoring US casualties as you imply here-
"But, like always, they will undoubtedly censor that from your news too."
would that be like how we aren't told about our casualties now?(oh wait a minute, we are told about our casualties, once their families have been notified first).
Originally posted by stumason
Originally posted by BlueRaja
I think you could look at their performance against the Iraqis as an indicator of their proficiency. How many hundreds of thousands were killed with a stalemate being the outcome? Iran has never fought a first world military, so even though they have more modern weapons than in the 80s, so do we.
As I stated earlier, comparing Iran to Iraq is wrong. Also comparing Iran 1980's to Iran now is also wrong. They have a reasonably well equipped and trained military, whereas when they went to war with Iraq, they lacked many of the things they have now and were basically a conscript Infantry force. Having said that, they're AF performed very well against the western backed Iraqi's.
[edit on 23/2/07 by stumason]
Originally posted by stumason
[As I stated earlier, comparing Iran to Iraq is wrong. Also comparing Iran 1980's to Iran now is also wrong. They have a reasonably well equipped and trained military, whereas when they went to war with Iraq, they lacked many of the things they have now and were basically a conscript Infantry force. Having said that, they're AF performed very well against the western backed Iraqi's.
Originally posted by otester
US's biggest problem, if they invade, will be their air defence.
Iran is just a grey blob on the map now since they got their new tech which can stop satellites from seeing the country without harming them.
When US planes go in, they will be technically blind, only having real knowledge of the landscape.
If Iranian air defence is what I think it is then you guys are going to have a very hard time.
Originally posted by otester
Yes and also to add to this, most Iraqi soldiers didn't even bother fighting, surrendered at first opportunity.
Originally posted by pavil
Correct me if I am wrong but at the start of the Iran Iraq war, hardware wise it was mainly the Iranians who had western arms as they inherited the Shah's military, which was mainly US/British stuff. Later on as the Irans weapons needed repairs, the US sanctions started to hurt, hence the Iranian need with the Iran Contra deals. The Iraqi's had mainly Soviet with a few French weapon systems thrown it. Don't make it sound as if the U.S. was the main arms dealer of Iraq. Iraq's armed forces followed Soviet style doctrine and tactics.
Originally posted by pavil
The AF did do well, especially the Tomcats once they reinstated all the US trained pilots they dismissed at the start of the war. Hardly any of those Tomcats are operational now and the pilots are not the same caliber, none of them combat experienced.
Originally posted by pavil
Iran didn't lack weapons in the Iran/Iraq war, they just utilized them very, very poorly with poor tactics and decisions, as did Iraq. Taking mobile artillery and tanks and burying them in earth berms to make static artillery is just one example. Trying to fight in the swamps was another. The Iranians ran headlong into so many direct assaults on kill zones set up by Iraq that it was a turkey shoot on par with the Iraqi's leaving Kuwait on the "highway of death".
Originally posted by pavil
Sorry, parades and war exercises don't make for a feared military. Iran does not have state of the art, battle tested, combat experienced weapons systems , people or tactics. Iran's army is still primarly made up of conscripts.
Originally posted by johnsky
What you aren't taking into account is that Iran's public elected their government into power. So conscript or not, their political party is wanted by their people.
....If you were to oust their government, the Iranians elected that government in... which means, they will simply replace that government with an equivelant government... or one that is even more hell bent on resisting the US... war with Iran is a HUGE mistake... it is un-winable, and will lead to further conflict in the future.