posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 03:07 AM
I apologize for the wrong impression I seeded in your mind by my wording.
I am not, and never were, seeking a confrontation with your expertise, to the contrary, from the beginning I hoped on a balanced discussion of
possibilities within the boundaries of the bulk of the evidence we possess, and are able to access.
I had the impression we once talked about Fuel-Air bombs, which were the first step to the later invention of thermobarics, which are much more
devastating and more complicated in design.
When I first brought up the thermobaric devices, you gave me the impression you still looked upon these as in principle, F-A devices, which they are
certainly not, they are a long stretch above those, in a destruction to weight comparison gradient.
And I also got the impression then, that you said you never worked with a real automated thermobaric device. The ones with the build-in piezo-electric
boxes, with a thin wire on a spool, which wire was attached to the top side of the cylinder, and would roll off when the middle of the cylinder
holding the first stage explosive, detonated and caused the cylinder to "flower" open, thereby propelling the top half of the cylinder upwards, and
rolling that wire off, while the gaseous cloud expelled by that first detonation, formed in the room at the height of the bottom part of the
The videos I once posted, with the blown up mannequins in them, show only the earliest simplistic designs of thermobaric devices, the ones with
external fixed poles with delayed trigger mechanisms, placed at the outskirts of the expected gaseous cloud.
The automated ones wait until the pressure in the expanding cloud reaches a trigger pressure, and then the piezo-electric device in the foot of the
bomb will unleash its high voltage load and ignite the still expanding, gaseous cloud.
For your info, I am still contemplating which most feasible row of events fits the available evidence and eyewitness reports, videos and audios of
As you possibly remember, I brought up the possibility of flooded elevator shaft bottoms, where cutter charges were possibly placed around the massive
core columns. Under water, the explosions leave no really loud audio signature, except a very low frequency "footprint".
Such VLF audio-footprints can be heard in the famous video from the 911 Eyewitness team. The one filmed from the Pier across the Hudson river.
BUT, there is a problem with that theory, which I hadn't been able to solve completely, up till now, in feasible theory :
Why is there such a long delay of many seconds, before the eventual blow-out of a few standing meters of basement core columns effectuated the
initiation of collapse at the much higher plane-impacted floors?
I now believe, that those explosions heard on the video, were just the 45° or 90° angles cut in the basement columns. They still kept standing in
The final, displacement charges were set-off much later, at the end of the global collapse row of events, when there was so much rumbling noise and
dust, that security of operation didn't count anymore.
This was probably the moment when we saw that famous "spire" suddenly sink out of sight. That was the moment when the displacement charges were
detonated, to get rid of the remaining core columns, and make room in the basements to facilitate the sinking of most heavy debris into those
As Griff once postulated first, if a pre-planted "device" blew out the core columns at a level just under the plane-impacted floors first, that
event would initiate a collapse at the impacted floors first, since that were the floors with the most damage already in place.
So that would be the first event, at about 300 meters high, thus spreading eventual noise out far above all spectators.
It would have cost about a second for that noise to reach street level.
After that, the increase of devastation noise to immense proportions, would mask all other explosion noises.
And thermobarics have a low frequency noise pattern, not directly compared to standard high velocity explosions to the ears of the eyewitnesses on
street levels. And will be forgotten directly, after the increase of noise from the rest of the collapse sequence.
So, that first event would initiate the following STAGED global collapse, giving the impression of a natural gravitational collapse, but in fact a
cascading downward row of exploding thermobarics on the lower floors.
Btw, cascading thermobarics intensify each others explosive force.
And, they were explicitly designed to demolish an opponents fortifications and buildings from the inside out.
I have posted a few telltale videos of collapse initiation, where you can see clearly that a whole ring of windows on a floor under the plane impacted
floors burst outwards first, before the top of the building started to topple.
Then many more floors under that burst out in the same pattern, until the dust stopped any further observation of the cascading explosive collapse.
That observation of a cascading downward destruction front gave food for the first Pancaking theory, which we know by now, was totally wrong.
See the NIST reports for their next theory of a natural gravitational collapse from a part of a building straight through the remaining stronger and
much bigger part still standing.
No total toppling allowed, since that wasn't observed, it toppled, but then miraculously halted the toppling, and sank into the building.
This can ONLY be achieved by a subsequent removal of the still standing part of the building, by explosives.
I am still contemplating on the janitor, mr Rodriguez, witness accounts of an enormous explosion just after or even before the plane impacts.
I start to think that he heard two events :
1. the plane impact noise traveling through steel,
2. the same noise traveling through air.
Both events will be separated by at least one second.
I don't see yet, a logical reason for demolition planners to blow up any columns that low in that early, impact stage.
The steel columns will have been vibrating very loud during a few seconds, giving the impression of a loud explosion under his feet, but were probably
just that, impact vibrations.
The only reason to blow up anything would have been the main water supply pipe, to flood the basement elevator shafts, and the fire department's
standpipe systems which didn't work in all THREE buildings!
The main water pipe going through the towers bathtub construction was found broken afterwards!