Were the Allies the good guys?

i know that the 20 million number could be lower
however
hitler wanted to kill and enslave everyone who wasn't white

EVERYONE
and the 6 million figure isn't right
it's only right for the number of JEWS he killed
he killed 2 millions people of the roma faith (commonly known as "gypsies") as well
and there were at least another million people killed for various other reasons (homosexuality, mental illness, or other assorted not-white races)

people who ignore the acknowledged stats on the holocaust aren't really looking at the issue, they're just poking at it because of anti-semitism or anti-israelism

hitler would have gone into africa, enslaved or killed all the africans
enslaved mediterranean peoples (yes, he would have backstabbed mussolini) and probably double crossed the japanese

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i know that the 20 million number could be lower

people who ignore the acknowledged stats on the holocaust aren't really looking at the issue, they're just poking at it because of anti-semitism or anti-israelism

hitler would have gone into africa

How do you know what Hitler might have done??? Did he tell you.

And to suggest anybody who asks questions about the stats of the holocaust is anti-semitic is ridiculous rubbish. Facts have to be fully questioned and verified rather than simply being accepted just because someone told you, just because a friend of a friend said it don't mean it is always so. No need for the hysterics, labeling anyone who wants verification an anti-semite.
And how do you know the stats are correct. Did YOU count the bodies???

Originally posted by wcssar
and you guys can post all your anti allied ideas here, why? because the Axis did not win!

Actually if the Axis had won, we would still be able to post anti-allies stuff.

Think about it

Originally posted by golddragnet
Did YOU count the bodies???

nope, didn't have to
the nazis did an amazing job counting them on their own

are you actually implying that hitler didn't have a fantasy of a "racially pure" europe in which all people that didn't fit his ideal were either exterminated or enslaved?

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
are you actually implying that hitler didn't have a fantasy of a "racially pure" europe in which all people that didn't fit his ideal were either exterminated or enslaved?

The problem with his so-called idea is that by his standards, he would have been amongst the first to be executed.

Now, either he severely hated himself so much that he tried to rid the world of everything that was remotely like him, which is a possibility.

Or

Someone is lying about his true intentions.

I tend to think that the first suggestion is correct in regards to Hitler, but who knows.

[edit on 25-2-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by golddragnet
Did YOU count the bodies???

nope, didn't have to
the nazis did an amazing job counting them on their own

are you actually implying that hitler didn't have a fantasy of a "racially pure" europe in which all people that didn't fit his ideal were either exterminated or enslaved?

Your knowledge of Hitler is childishly simplistic and superficial.
Did you ever wonder why Hitler let all the British troops to escape at Dunkirk. He had almost the entire British army at his mercy and he permitted them to escape. You probably have another overly simplistic answer to that. Did you ever wonder who actually funded Hitlers rise??? We are never really told the truth about Hitler in history classes in the west. He was an evil man who was funded by the west and then was set-up by them, just as Saddam Hussein was some years later. Hitler was funded by western banksters, Jewish western bankers at that!!!
Because Hitler was an evil man who commited alot of crimes against humanity, it was easy for the west to tell further lies about him to suit their own agenda. We should understand that our view of Hitler is influenced by propaganda. The Allies were also guilty of atrocities and war crimes. Furthermore, Hitler was created, manipulated and destroyed by the same Illuminist clique that runs the world today.
Have you ever studied GW Bush's grandfathers links with nazi germany?
www.savethemales.ca...

www.youtube.com...
The son and grandson of a man who made his fortunes from dealing with Nazi Germany became Presidents of USA. Can you not see the hypocrisy of the whole situation.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
The problem with his so-called idea is that by his standards, he would have been amongst the first to be executed.

i never said he wasn't a hypocrite

Now, either he severely hated himself so much that he tried to rid the world of everything that was remotely like him, which is a possibility.

wait..
what?

are you referring to the urban legend that hitler was in fact half jewish?

the italians were so bad tell that to the ethiopians.

It was the Allies, or the Germans (Germany would have taken out it's allies after it had won the war). And the Nazi party were leading the Germans into 'evil deeds', they murdered millions of Jews, and the Allies didn't, the Allies only fought together to defend itself and end the war, so yeh, we're the good guys.

our views of the war and who were the "good guys" has been totally coloured by propaganda. It shouldn't be forgotten who dropped that A-bomb on another nation, that wasn't Nazi Germany or Japan. And it was totally unnecessary, despite what the americans responsible would want us to believe. It was a disgusting act. The bombing of Dresden was also simply total murder and added nothing to the war effort. It wasn't necessary at all to defeat Germany.
It is also forgotten that it was the Allies who declared war on Germany, not vice-versa. Hitler even spared the entire British army at Dunkirk.
And you would be naive if you really believed Britain entered the war to help Poland. And it is for certain that prior to the war the west gave Hitler encouragement to increase Germany's borders.
And anyone who imagined Britain was a "good guy" should take a look at what they did in Kenya just a few years after WW2 ended.
There were no "good guys" in the war, at least not amongst the politicains who orchestrated the wars anyhow, not on either side. Any "good guys" would have been the men and women who enlisted in the effort to fight, when they believed they were fighting for tyheir freedom and freedom of other nations. But the politicos in the Allies side were evil just as in the axis nations. Whatever way you look at it and however you try to justify it, Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden were very wrong and very evil acts. There was evils commited on all sides.

all war is evil and foul if you ask anyone who's been there ( and i have been there ) they say almost anything would be better, almost. war is bad but sometimes what your fighting against is worse. freedom is not free it's paid for in blood and some if not most of that is the blood of the innocent. but we are now free to contemplate the misery of war in relative comfort because they suffered and die to give us this gift and i for one will not dishonor their sacrifice or their gift of freedom by second guessing and easy chair coaching the methods and motives of those who died for that cause. it was war and war is evil but not all people who fight war are.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
wait..
what?

are you referring to the urban legend that hitler was in fact half jewish?

I am referring to a whole host of things. He hated occultists. Guess what, supposedly, although I don't necessarily buy it, Hitler was an occultist.

He hated gays, Guess what.Modern day consensus states that Hitler was at the very least bi-sexual. From what I have heard, Hitler's mother was a Jew...So, yes, that would make him part Jewish,I do believe...

[edit on 27-2-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by wcssar
war is evil but not all people who fight war are.

Agreed. The evil ones are the politicains who make the wars, and they definitely are not fighting the wars. In WW1 and WW2 they sent out the innocent civilians to fight against innocent civilians of the other nations. And what makes it so crazy is that the people actually fighting the war in almost all cases have had no quarrel whatsoever with the guys they are fighting. The first and second world wars were created by the politicians, and the politicians on both sides involved were certainly evil. The politicians today who started the wars in Afganistan and Iraq (the allies from WW2) are certainly very evil, and despite the public opinion being against wars they are gearing up to kill more in Iran.

Whose piss poor excuse was it do deny Germany the ME oil? I hope we learned our lesson from the war, if not, are we better than those we tame?