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Originally posted by stumason
We can wait and go NHS (and claim back cash off Private for using the NHS, which is cool!) or use the Private immediately and get seen straight away.
Originally posted by pavil
Originally posted by stumason
We can wait and go NHS (and claim back cash off Private for using the NHS, which is cool!) or use the Private immediately and get seen straight away.
How does that work? I am unclear what you mean. It sounds as if you get paid for seeing NHS doctors. Or is it a tax deduction?
Originally posted by jsobecky
This may sound like a totally uninformed question, but what are the current preventative measures against avian flu? A vaccination shot?
If that is the leading disease they are trying to prevent,
is it good enough reason to change the entire health care system?
Originally posted by whitewave
btw, check out www.cqs.com/influenza.htm for how to deal with the avian flu.
Democratic Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez unveiled his plan to extend health care coverage to uninsured children by requiring employers to pay for insurance, or to have them pay a fee to the state.
Firms with fewer than two employees or with an annual payroll of $100,000 or less and small businesses open for less than three years would be excluded.
Originally posted by whitewave
Survival of the fittest. Or more appropriately: survival of the most ruthless.
If thousands die off in a "microbial storm", chances are that the survivors will be the ones that don't need dialysis, insulin, azt, lipitor, etc.
If only the healthy survive healthcare/insurance companies will be geared more towards preventative measures and emergency medicine.
The intensive care units ...'re filled up with people who should be on hospice care. They are in the end stage of their terminal illnesses and no magic wand will ever fix them.
Mark my words, we will have legislation that approximates the idea of "let them die". Already there has been legislation allowing taking people off ventilators whether they were ready to breathe on their own or not. (We used to have to get a court order).
Because of insulin, diabetics now live long enough to breed and pass on their genetic traits so we have more diabetics that require heart/kidney/foot and vision care, frequent lab tests, equipment (syringes, test strips, etc.)
Healthcare is truly in a crisis but it is still available. Make it "free" and it will disappear. Then we'll all have equal access and rights to the same amount of nothing.
whitewave
Thank you for correcting my inaccurate use of words, soficrow.
Your statement about people with healthy immune systems being more likely to die sounds like rubbish to me. Do you have any links, sources, examples in nature, precedents in history to back up that claim?
Bird flu targeting the young
...data compiled by the Toronto Star lead to one particularly compelling question: Why does the H5N1 virus attack the young? The Star's analysis shows that all but six of the 97 people who have died globally so far from bird flu were under 40. People, in other words, with the strongest immune systems and not, as one might expect, the elderly and those already sick. The median age was 19, and a quarter of them were under age 12.
Children, teenagers and young adults are the unfortunate victims of the deadly H5N1 bird flu sweeping through poultry farms in Asia, Africa and now Europe.Hooked up to breathing tubes and dialysis machines in local hospital beds, bodies soaked in sweat, and blood oozing from their nostrils and mouth, they have a mere 50 per cent chance of pulling through. The rest die in a matter of days.
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In a study published in the online medical journal Respiratory Research in November, Hong Kong scientists noted the H5N1 was creating what's called a "cytokine storm" in its healthy victims, causing their immune system to overreact to the virus, flood the lungs with an overabundance of antibodies and cause extensive lung damage, eventually shutting them down. It's the same response scientists believe caused so many deaths during the Spanish flu.
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The outbreak of the 1918 virus - which was described as Spanish flu and is known to scientists as H1N1 - resulted in the deaths of up to 25 million people around the world. ...(The results of a new) study, published in the science journal Nature... suggest the deaths were the result of an immune system overreaction. ... Previously, it had been believed that the scale of mortality in 1918 had been due to a second wave of infection that struck those already hit by flu. ...However, the new findings indicate that deadly inflammation, triggered by an out of control immune response, could have been the real cause.
Ordinary seasonal flu typically hits children, the elderly and those with weakened immune systems the hardest, but the 1918 virus infected many young and healthy adults. ...Scientists have long questioned why the 1918 flu strain proved so deadly and why so many victims were people not normally vulnerable to flu. ...Similar patterns of mortality have been observed in those infected by (H5N1) bird flu...
Dr Christopher Basler, a co-author of the study from Mont Sinai School of Medicine, in New York, said the findings "could help us develop more targeted therapies to combat pathogenic infections, including different types of influenzas or perhaps avian influenza". ...Professor Karl Nicholson, the professor of infectious diseases at the University of Leicester, said learning more about "the cause of the high morbidity of H1N1 ... might then open the way for alternative methods of treatment".
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The report in Nature describing the increased host immune response caused by the 1918 pandemic influenza virus (report, Sept 29) is the latest in a series of studies suggesting it is the host response (the “cytokine storm”) that is probably responsible for most deaths now being seen with H5N1 infections.
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Why H5N1 bird flu is so lethal
Scientists find out how bird flu kills people
Besides, why would the evil pharmaceutical/medical/agricultural dealers of death want to create a disease that kills off the healthy and leaves the less than healthy? Where's the benefit to that?
What evidence/sources do you have for your generalized comment about diabetes and genetics?
Originally posted by whitewave
Thanks Soficrow for all the links. Kinda late after a busy day so I'll have to check them out tomorrow but didn't want you to think I'd forgotten you. Appreciate your efforts to educate.