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Action-reaction vs. soul

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posted on Nov, 21 2003 @ 02:48 PM
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I hope this is the good topic to put it in, It is about the action-reaction principle and how it could resolve the so-called "randomness" and the so-called "soul".



The action-reaction principle

Introduction
This means that every action got an reaction, and that reaction is exactly what the action before makes it to be. Because it is exact, also the whole chain of actions and reactions is exact, until eternity. This also applies for every living being, every emotion, and all else aspects of the universe. They can all be explained according to action and reaction.

To understand why this is the case we have to understand more about concepts like conscienceness, emotions etc. because those things most people see not to be submitted to action-reaction, an example of this is the �soul� which some people think is not connected to the material world, but to some higher force.

I would like to begin with the molecules themselves instead of more complex issues like �live� and �death� and then especially the idea that the electrons on a molecule seem to have motions which are random. That would imply the action-reaction principle cannot be applied for those basics.

Why electrons are submitted to laws
I would like to show you why also these particles are moving according to the action-reaction principle.
* we have to say that those random movements move within the frames of possibilities. We can�t say that the electrons (which look to move randomly) suddenly could have so much energy to move outside of the atom, this offcourse happens with experiments, but the idea is that the electrons are caught within the atom, and therefore it�s movements are restrained. The movements which look random have a frame with values in which they can move. (the frames are the total laws of nature).
* If you have to say that the random movements work within frames, then you have to say that the atom has got influence to the behaviour of the electrons, or better said: the laws of nature have influence. We could then say that we have a 2-way door, the one door we know of and is totally working under the laws of nature, the other door are the motions which work within the frames of those laws. Here comes the theoretical part: you could exactly know what the reaction would be of the laws under which the atoms work, but because you don�t know the random effect, the outcome will be different, because you only used the knowledge of the first door. Therefore you should be able to know the so-called random influence, by exactly knowing the influence of the action-reaction.

Arguments against these facts
A person could argue that the outcome (of the influence of the second door) is different from second to second because it stays random. The argument against that however is that there is no randomness anymore. The so-called randomness is influenced by the action-reaction of the movements which are not random so the action-reaction has also a reaction on the electrons. The electrons respond to the laws of the laws under which the action-reaction is submitted, and therefore also the electrons themselves are submitted to the laws.

A person could argue that the laws which have effect on the electrons (and therefore they move within frames) don�t say anything about the movements of the electrons which aren�t submitted under laws. However, the fact that the electrons react to those laws also means that the electron is also submitted to the other laws, because there is no speaking of a �higher law which isn�t there�. Every particle which is submitted to laws in our reality is submitted to all the laws in our reality. The idea that an electron would be submitted to some laws, but not to the others is not based on anything scientific in our real world.

The basic is that there is no randomness because everything which is so-called to be random has got laws within it works. Those laws make it just as submitted to the laws of the real world as any other object.

Our conscienceness
Our conscienceness gives us the feeling that we have the so-called �soul�. The soul should be independent of the material world, and therefore should it neither die.

To first get a better picture of conscienceness we have to confess that every living animal got conscienceness. When I say conscienceness I mean knowing the surroundings and yourself. When you look to every living being (also bacteria etc.) then you have to say that these beings also flee from their enemy, because they have got a small instinct. With living animals you should draw the line with conscienceness at when it doesn�t try to survive from a possible �killer�. Every being tries to survive. Surviving is the basis of the instinct, and you have to say that every being has instinct, and therefore also some kind of conscienceness.

Thinking is just the expansion of conscienceness. We get information from outside, we store them inside our brain and because we understand what that information means, we understand our surroundings, we are aware, our conscience. Thinking is the expansion of this, we get the information and our brains try to put them together, so we understand even more of our surroundings. Thinking is the interaction between the information which makes you conscience of the world.

The basic is that we get information, store it, analyse it with other information (thinking) and when we get the same information again recognise it. This could all be explained by the Neurones, synapses etc. in our brain, as being action-reaction.

The soul
The soul is a concept which is believed to be there by some persons to make the above possible, because according to those persons the emotions, conscienceness etc. cannot be explained with the action-reaction principle and with the materialistic brain. Therefore there would be a soul which isn�t submitted to the laws of nature and therefore also free-will is present, which according to the action-reaction principle is impossible because of the deterministic universe.

The emotions
The emotions are however just actions followed by reactions which are there to increase the survival chance of the being. If we are going to say that fire gives us �pain� and therefore we retreat from the fire, then saying it is just an action to a reaction would be completely valid. It is just the instinct which tells us to retreat, not many persons would disagree with that.

At that moment the person is more aware because he is in a live treathening situation, while the soul was meant to have the conscienceness. We have got the conscienceness which went up by the adrenaline (again action-reaction) and which can be monitored by the scientist as brain activity. They can�t monitor the �supernatural� (as the soul is implied to be) so the conscienceness is raised directly by the actions and reactions of the brains themselves. The conscienceness for the instinct is an atomical one, and submitted to the actions and reactions.

If the conscienceness in those situations are directly related to the brain and the materialistic world, then there is no reason that other conscience is related to the �supernatural� world. The conscienceness is directly related to the brain activity. You are more aware when the brain capacity increases as scientists show, and therefore there is no need for a so-called �soul�.

The materialistic world could be fully explained with the action-reaction principle, and therefore also the brains. Conscienceness is therefore also submitted to the laws of nature, even though it gives the feeling that persons say they have got a soul (which is also action-reaction). The idea of the soul could also be described as the electrons themselves (which were also seen as being independent of the laws of nature), it works within frames and therefore is submitted to action-reaction, just like the electrons.

Conclusion
Emotions, conscience and thinking ability are all related to eachother. Thinking brings the information in connection with eachother, conscience is the product of this, and the emotions is the basic information (instinct) to increase our chances of survival. All of this could be explained with the action-reaction principle and the so-called �soul� isn�t necessary. The only reason to think there is a soul is because it feels to complex to be submitted to just a lot of actions and reactions, while every part of our body is made out of atoms and the laws which they follow.


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