uh, hold on there, Bandit.

'National SOCIALISM' was a very 'left wing' idea there.

even if Hitler was right-leaning, being a leftist didn't prevent Stalin from killing millions.




[Edited on 20-11-2003 by Bob88]

Bob,

Being left and right doesn't have anything to do with murdering people...

Either you're psychotic and sadistic or you're not.

I never heard of that myth, Bandit. It was always my understanding that Hitler was far right. Of course both sides to their extreme come close to meeting one another on the far side.

Remember now, Rightwing is not synonymous with the correct position, which is conservatism!

And although Hitler's party was NSDAP, he didn't start it. He forced himself up the ranks.

And like the site says. These are what Hitler believed in:

Individualism over collectivism.
Racism or racial segregation over racial tolerance.
Eugenics over freedom of reproduction.
Merit over equality.
Competition over cooperation.
Power politics and militarism over pacifism.
One-person rule or self-rule over democracy.
Capitalism over Marxism.
Realism over idealism.
Nationalism over internationalism.
Exclusiveness over inclusiveness.
Meat-eating over vegetarianism.
Gun ownership over gun control
Common sense over theory or science.
Pragmatism over principle.
Religion over secularism.

I totally agree with that! I'm now left wondering why then you even started this topic - as you have just contradicted yourself. LOL.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Bob,

Being left and right doesn't have anything to do with murdering people...

Either you're psychotic and sadistic or you're not.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
I never heard of that myth, Bandit. It was always my understanding that Hitler was far right. Of course both sides to their extreme come close to meeting one another on the far side.

Remember now, Rightwing is not synonymous with the correct position, which is conservatism!

Who said being conservative was being correct??? How about a healthy balance of both conservatism and liberalism? Or no label at all.

This whole thread is reply to another thread that had the amounts of murders Hitler and his army commited. Posted together with the amounts of communists, as if Hitler was also communist.

Bob: Nooo I didn't. You missed my point. It was a reply to the other thread...

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Racism or racial segregation over racial tolerance.

he was aiming at having 1 race, not segregating racies, exterminating

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Eugenics over freedom of reproduction.

makes sense to control the population problem

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Power politics and militarism over pacifism.

yea until he had his single race

Originally posted by TheBandit795
One-person rule or self-rule over democracy.

self rule is democracy in essence

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Nationalism over internationalism.

yep he wanted one big nation.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Exclusiveness over inclusiveness.

what exactl was he excluding besides every other race, which, if his plan had been successful, there wouldn't have been any of.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Common sense over theory or science.

System of a Down
Science has failed our world

our reliance on science seems to ahve removed almost all common sense in alot fo people

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Religion over secularism.

his plan was one race one religion, so the religious beliefs would be applicaable to goernment as everyone believes the same

Ok, Adolph was a total extreme right winger. National Socialism does have some leftist ideas, but they werre way overshadowed by rightist views. Big Business Flourished under Adolph. IG FArben, Krupp Stahl GMBH, not to mention GM, IT & T, Standard Oil and Ford (who do you think built all those transport trucks for the Germans?) Heck, GM even sued the U.S. government for destruction of property, when the allies bombed the Auto factories in Hamburg, and they WON!!

Not to mention Ford dumped huge amounts of money into the NSDAP political fund.

Communists were also a group of people who "magically" dissappeared during the 30's and 40's.

Back to Adolph. Extreme right; extreme nationalist; extreme capitalist; and extreme buttcrack.

A few mistakes that I see.

Hitler was an occultist, he was not a conventional religion follower, although he had early education in such.

Believing in capitalism as long as the government had ultimate control over the capitalism does not make one a capitalist.

Nationalism is not a bad thing at all, it serves a very important purpose, internationalism means you lose your self identity and when an evil tyrant gains control, he gains all control.

BTW, science is not spomething that can "fail the world", it is merely man's attempt to understand the world and beyond, and is a systematic manner in which to understand it in order to lessen the mistakes of learning. We are not God but mere humans, therefore we will make mistakes. Anyone looking at science for "salvation" is looking in the wrong direction.

a failed attempt mr crowne

You wouldn't mind elaborating just a smidge, would you, Mr. Banjo?

What is proven here is the narrow differences if any, between socialism and fascism.

Hitler by virtue of being an occultic robot of the dark side had an agenda of control.

There is also a narrow line between conservatism and fasim. I think you missed that part.

I think it is hard to place a megolomaniac into one part of the political spectrum.

You can't say that he wanted gun control so he was a leftist, oh but he killed lots of people and was a racist so he was on the right of center.

Those rules don't really apply to him. It seems that in US politics the two parties seem to have split the issues so one party is pro something and the other is con. I could see that in other countries a liberal party may be anti-abortion for instance. A conservative party in another country may be pro gun control.

That just seems to be the way that American politics divided up the issues, you can't apply it to all parts of the world.

Also there is a narrow division between liberalism and socialism.

And the division between centrism and liberalism isn't that large either.

Quit using labels Neo...

Originally posted by TheBandit795
There is also a narrow line between conservatism and fasim. I think you missed that part.

Not really. Do you consider the Founding Fathers fascists? A misunderstanding of conservatism, a leftist fear that conservatism will create fascism, won't make it the same.

A Fascist will obviously ride into power under the cloak of conservatism, though.