Ak-47 vs. M-16

most 9mm can hold up to 16 shells as opposed to a .45 that can only hold about half that...

i had to chose between the 2[m16 or ak] if they come stock and original models i would pick the ak-47 for sure..its accurate enough and it just looks so damn good.

I think that the Russians do not use the AK-47 anymore. I believe that they use the AK-74 which fires the 5.54mm ammo. I believe that that would be a better comparision.

Originally posted by jetsetter
I think that the Russians do not use the AK-47 anymore. I believe that they use the AK-74 which fires the 5.54mm ammo. I believe that that would be a better comparision.

Kalashnikov AK-74, AKS-74 and AK-74M assault rifles (USSR / Russia)



AK-74 5.45mm assault rifle



AK-74 rifle of the late production, with black plastic furniture and the new pattern bayonet.



AKS-74. Folding butt version for the airborne troops



AK-74M. The latest variant, issued to the Russian troops since early 1990s. Key differences from the earlier AK-74 rifles are the side-folding plastic buttstock and the scope mounting rail on the left side of the receiver.



The standard issue '5N7' 5.45x39mm ammo (note lacquered steel case and slim, long bullet)

Caliber: 5.45x39 mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt with 2 lugs
Weight: 3,3 kg (with empty magazine without bayonet); 3,6 kg (with loaded magazine)
Length: 943 mm (AKS-74 with folded butt - 690 mm)
Barrel length: 415 mm
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds standard
Effective range: 500 meters
Rate of fire: 600 - 650 rounds per minute


The idea of the reduced caliber ammunition for military shoulder arms was played with for a very long time. Each time the technology leaped forward, the standard calibers were reduced - from the 0.45 - 0.50 inch (11.4 - 12.7mm) of the mid-1800 to the .30 of the mid-1900s. The idea of further reduction of the caliber down to 6.5 - 5.6 mm (.240 - .220 inch) was also considered in many countries since the beginning of the XX century, but it was not until the 1960s when the idea of the low impulse, small-caliber, high velocity round came up to something real. When US Army adopted the M16 rifle in the mid-1960s, everybody else eyed Americans with interest. And as soon as the idea of small caliber rifle was found worthwhile, the total rearming began.

Soviet army started the development of its own small-caliber ammunition in the late 1960s. After some years of development, a new round was created. This round featured a bottlenecked, tapered case, slim bullet with nominal caliber of 5.45mm (actual bullet diameter is 5.62 mm). The bullet featured a combined steel and lead core with the hollow nose, muzzle velocity from the 415mm barrel was about 900 m/s. As soon as the new ammunition was available and accepted by the Soviet Military, it was decided to develop a new family of small arms around this cartridge. The fastest way to do so was to simply adapt the existing 7.62mm AKM assault rifle and the RPK light machine gun for new ammunition. This "new" arms would serve as an intermediate, temporary solution until the new, more effective and modern arms would be developed. The task of adaptation of the AKM/RPK family for the new round was relatively simple, since the new round was designed with this conversion in mind (case length and the overall length of both 7.62mm and 5.45mm cartridges are almost the same).

Basically, the small-caliber Kalashnikov assault rifle, officially adopted by the Soviet Army in 1974 as the "5.45mm Avtomat Kalashnikova, obraztsa 1974 goda (AK-74)", was no more than the older AKM, re-chambered for a new round, with very minor modifications. The most visible modification is the large and effective muzzle brake, which further reduces already moderate recoil of the new round, and improves the controllability of the rifle in the full automatic mode. Rear sight, while being of the same old design, was accordingly recalibrated for the new cartridge with much flatter trajectory. The wooden buttstock was slightly lightened by two oval cuts on both sides. The pistol grip was made from plastic, and the forend initially was made from wood. The stamped steel magazines were replaced by the plastic magazines of the very distinctive red-brown color. The airborne version of the new rifle, AKS-74, also introduced a new pattern of the folding butt. This was made from stamped steel, and folded to the left side of the receiver instead of being folded down on the 7.62mm AKMS, and was of more comfortable and robust construction. Otherwise the AK-74 retained all features and construction of the AKM/AKMS, and, surprisingly, the key deficiencies of the AKM were not cured in this improved version. For example, AK-74 retained the same less than ideal safety - selector lever, and the same crude sights. Like the AKM, the AK-74 can be fitted with special silencer (requires subsonic ammunition) or the 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher GP-25 or GP-30 (improved and lightened model).

During the production AK-74 was slightly improved. The mixed wooden and plastic furniture were replaced with the black plastic furniture, and the red-brown magazines were supplemented with the black plastic ones. The "Night" version AK-74N had been developed with the night IR scope rail added to the left side of the receiver. The latest variation of the AK-74 breed, that was introduced circa 1991 and consequently replaced in production both AK-74 and AKS-74, is the AK-74M. The AK-74M externally differs from the AK-74 of late 1980s production by the side-folding, solid black plastic buttstock and by the scope rail, mounted on the left receiver as as a standard. Some minor improvements also were made in the production process and external finish of the new rifle. AK-74M retained almost all advantages and disadvantages of the earlier Kalashnikov designs, including reliability, simplicity of operations and maintenance, and less than ideal "human engineering" and ergonomics. At the present time the AK-74M, along with earlier AK-74/AKS-74 is the standard shoulder arm of the Russian Army. The plans of replacing it with the widely advertised Nikonov AN-94 assault rifle were not carried out to any significant extent - the AN-94 is (and most probably will be) issued only to most elite units of the Russian Army, police and the Internal Affairs Ministry troops. The AK-74 type, 5.45mm assault rifles also were manufactured in the East German, Bulgaria, Poland and Romania. Most of these designs after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact were converted to the 5.56mm NATO ammunition.

# them both.

O ya, thats what I am talking about. 5.56mm and 20mm.

I agree with Fury

OICW > All

Originally posted by jetsetter
O ya, thats what I am talking about. 5.56mm and 20mm.

If you ever play ghost recon, ya know it's all about the OICW and the 20mm mini grenades of death.

Originally posted by Fury
# them both.

Damn it looks pretty HEAVY!

I still think AKS-74M is better.

Originally posted by Russian

Damn it looks pretty HEAVY!

I still think AKS-74M is better.

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The Perfect Infantry Weapon
The OICW is a next generate weapon. The ammo actually has a computer on-board. You thought smart bombs were cool. Well, this gun takes smart weapons to the next level. Imagine being in a sniper fight with your enemy. Both your enemy and you are hiding behind heavy bullet proof shelters. But you have the advantage. You have a OICW. Your weapon has a built-in range finder. Now that you know the distance between you and your enemy, for example 720 feet away. You don't need to directly hit him if he is hiding behind something. You point your gun over his position or behind him. The gun actually programs the ammo to explode at 725 feet which will blast shrapnel all over. With the OICW, line of sight is no longer a rule for sniper fights!


The Smart Ammo
The Ammo that knows when to explode and become shrapnel. When you don't have a clear shot. Switching to the 20MM explosive round. Each round of Smart Ammo has an on-board computer and costs $25.00. The OICW holds a clip of 6 x 20MM smart ammo.

the OICW is not Powered forever, and when the power is off say goodbye to all the fancy stuff and say hello to Big ass Bulky OICW, i would rather have an Ak-74SU


[Edited on 17-11-2003 by SectorGaza]

sorry the aks-74m is not the best it the AK-74MN3!

The sub-machinegun is equipped with a folding plastic buttstock, which makes this weapon very handy for use in any combat situation, and designed with a standard fastening unit (plate) for mounting optical and night sights, as well as the bracket for attaching 6GD5 Under Barrel Grenade Launcher.

Originally posted by SectorGaza
the OICW is not Powered forever, and when the power is off say goodbye to all the fancy stuff and say hello to Big ass Bulky OICW

, i would rather have an Ak-74SU


[Edited on 17-11-2003 by SectorGaza]

Thats a spetnaz submachine gun!

Hmm..this is a tough one...

True...the AK might not be the most accurate gun, but if you can get your hands on the upgraded SpetzNas version of it..the AKS-74U, which is a very accurate piece of weaponry, I would have to go with the Russian made gun. The AK-105 is also a good piece of equipment, but is not as powerful or accurate as the M-16A1 - A2 versions. So, it basically comes down to something like this:

AK-47 / AK-105 < M-16A2
AKS-74U > M16A2

It is pretty even if you ask me. Now if we're talking M4A1, the gun isn't the most powerful, but it is more realible, fast, and easy to trudge along with.

My two cents,

-wD

Originally posted by WeBDeviL
Hmm..this is a tough one...

True...the AK might not be the most accurate gun, but if you can get your hands on the upgraded SpetzNas version of it..the AKS-74U, which is a very accurate piece of weaponry, I would have to go with the Russian made gun. The AK-105 is also a good piece of equipment, but is not as powerful or accurate as the M-16A1 - A2 versions. So, it basically comes down to something like this:

AK-47 / AK-105 < M-16A2
AKS-74U > M16A2

It is pretty even if you ask me. Now if we're talking M4A1, the gun isn't the most powerful, but it is more realible, fast, and easy to trudge along with.

My two cents,

-wD

With the AK-74MN3 you will get accurcy, power, night vision, lightness, grenades, etc.

AK-74MN3's killing range is more then 1000 meters!

cool pic of the ak74mn2

Originally posted by SectorGaza

cool pic of the ak74mn2

Damn thats a LOVELY weapon!

Thats my second BEST!!

yeah i choose that one

OC-14 Groza variants are good for special ops, no? groza means Thunder




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OTs-14-4A-01: Standard assault rifle variant in 9x39mm with an underbarrel 40mm grenade launcher and flip-up leaf sight.

OTs-14-4A-02: Compact assault rifle variant in 9x39mm with short barrel.

OTs-14-4A-03: Special mission variant in 9x39mm subsonic with optics and silencer.

OTs-14-4A-04: Alternate assault rifle variant in 9x39mm with longer barrel and additional vertical foregrip.

[Edited on 17-11-2003 by SectorGaza]

Originally posted by Russian
What weapon would you use in a battle to survive?

I would use the Canadian C7a1 assault rifle (modernisation of the m16a1). This weapon weight 3,8 kg with 30 ammo magazine loaded, is more accurate, can last under water and snow...

PS : Russian, if I was you I would rater use the RPK than the AK-47.


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1,000 meters eh? Well, I don't know the AKS-74U's killing range, but I know it can be equipped with at least the following things:

- sniping stand
- scope (Anywhere from 2x - 18x..I believe)
- night vision
- laser pointing device
- Silencer (SD)
- Heavy Explosive Grenade Launcher (HEGL,and a Frag Grenade Launcher - M67, etc)
- Intended for close range (indoor, close ranged outdoor) combat.

The longer version, the AKS-74, has a bigger range, and can be equipped with all the same things as the 74U.
It has all of the equipment listed above plus these listed below:

- 5.65mm caliber bullets
- 1000 meter Killing range
- 1,350 sighting range
- 3,150 meter max flight range

Now, in all fairness, lets compare the M16A2 to this, shall we?

The M16A2 is the semiauto (3 shot burst) cousin of the fully auto M16. It is more accurate, and can be equipped with the following things:

- a M203 Frag Grenade Launcher + Smoke, flashbangs, and HE (40mm Grenades standard)

- scope (2x - 18x)
- night vision
- laser sighting device
- Muzzle compensator (Makes for more accurate firing - U.S. made.)
- NATO 5.56mm Bullets

Now, the MAX range on this piece of equipment IS longer than the AKS-74, but I don't know about the one you listed above.

- 3,600 MAX range
- 800 - 1,200 killing range
- 2,800 feet per second firing
- 30 Round magazine
- 39.63 inches in length. ( I believe this is shorter than the AKS series, please confirm.)

Hmm..well I guess at a longer range the AKS's would be better, but it all depends on situation,weather,mission, etc.

To be honest, if it we're a close range firefight, I would be up the faster, smaller, HK5 series, very small, fast, and effective. (HK5, HK5SD, and HK5K guns)

If it were a medium, I would probably pull out a AK / AKS series rifle, and if it were far I would probably use an M82A1A .50 Caliber Heavy Sniper Rifle.



-wD