Just compiled the things you have said so far here...
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Copntinuing to support money grubbing corporations while they continue to not only kill the earth,but man himself with toxic fumes is not very viable
either,eh?
Well industry may be killing us but our life expectations are still rising so either they suck at it or they see the logic in keeping the cash cow
alive as long as humanly possible while it's being milked to near capacity for the duration... Remember that their profit is derived from the
resources you gain by your labour and if you do not labour they have nothing to take from you...
Judging by your posts thus far,I am sure that you'd be all too giddy to believe an article spponsored by one of the corporate giants though.
Look i do not trust them as far as i can throw them ( corporations being pure tyrannies and all ) but they are at least to some extent predictable;
they need to have us around if not to work for them then to exploit us... Industry does not HAVE to be evil and destructive but since we can not
affect change in government corporations can get away with as much as they currently are. If we change our perception and requirements of reality we
can have industrial enterprise owned by people ( not the not so human entities that currently own so many industries) FOR the people.
Well,firstly,humanity,not just Americans, need to quit using the argument that "We cannot give up our way of life for the good of the
planet." Why the hell not?
Because i refuse to give up my current standard of living i will never expect anyone else below my standard to give up theirs and since that includes
most of the people on Earth i am not going to preach to anyone. I want not only what i have but to do better if and when i like and since i do not
want to destroy the world that sustains me i will do what i can to protect it. I for one simple do not believe that human activity logically leads to
environmental destruction and that in fact ecologically destruction is a choice made and allowed by government policy. The true rulers of the world do
want to see the environment destroyed as that would give them ever more control over us as one can see with their various ploys to make us feel guilty
about the progress our forefathers fought so hard to attain.
Do we have the capability to pilgrimmage to another planet and "set up camp?" Absolutely not. What happens to the ecosystem also happens to
us. However, the majority of the poulation is so wrapped in their own petty affairs to realize it.
If you think bettering yourself and your local community and it's environment is a 'petty affair' your not being reasonable and do not understand
much about human activity in my opinion. We seem to have very tribal like considerations and in fact be shown that without a face and some background
history about a person they could just as well not exist in your minds. Since our governments policy is almost always aimed at fragmenting our social
behaviour ( but not our nationalistic and 'patriotic' aspirations; we want to be part of something meaningful) they know this well enough and do not
want us to work together and thus fight back far more effectively.
Secondly, electrically powered vehicles are a viable alternative to fossil fuels. So is solaror nuclear powered energy. So don't tell me that
there is not a "viable" solution to fossil fuels. That argument is codswallop.
Don't Tell Me That There Are Not Alternatives!!
www.alternative-energy-engineering.com...
www.alternative-energy-news.info...
I for one know that vacuum energy were in evidence to be extractable from ther vacuum for a century or more and that cold fusion and many other
technologies could give us very nearly free energy with pollution that is inversely proportional to growth and development. Since these technologies
are not being employed today it is abundantly clear that control over humanity is far more important to our would be rulers than protecting of the
environment that does not seem to be doing too badly anyways.
s much more where that came from... Sure,it may take some time for some of these things. However, if the powers that be were as concerned as
they claim about the welfare of humanity, it would seem that many of these projects would have been in the works long ago.
Oh they are and i wonder how you can say the things you do apparently understanding at least partly why it's all happening. Why should humans limit
their aspirations because those who seek to control us refuse to allow us the technologies which would lead to unlimited growth with pollution growing
ever less as we build a new industry?
Here is the problem I have with people who argue from the economic view of the argument. What good is a good economy going to do anyone if the
air is not healthy to breathe?
Then i guess we will have to live indoors or buy respirators for activities outside our homes? Would you rather live in abject poverty and or
starvation or wear a respirator type system when you go outside to spend time on your one acre lawn? How much time do average western people spend
outside of buildings where the conditions could not be controlled?
Anyway, my main beef is not with the "smog" you keep alluding to and you never really did address my question about whether you thought air
quality has gotten better or if you have just become adjusted to breathing bad air. I imagine it's the latter rather than the former,but what do
environmental protectionists know? 
Air quality has gotten better over the years.... Bad air simple kills you in the not so long run and since we are growing ever older ( almost
everywhere) i am not sure how a argument for worse and worse air pollution can made to start with...
Smog is certainly an aspect of the problem but there are invisible factors that are more troubling.Smog is a culmination of chemicals in the
tmosphere and not simply caused by one specific... So,no,I'm not the one who initiated the conversation about smog... You did!! 
Total environmental ( atmospheric pollution) may have increased but if it's not affecting our standards of living why should we attempt to go back to
earlier times when all that pollution were in your own back yard ( sewage and cooking fires, filthy water, etc) and killed you relatively fast?
Lets save yourselves first and fight the best fight we can to maintain the environment as best we can while we develop human civilization and
ourselves; i refuse to even consider a alternative where the environment comes first ( have you ever seen what a poor starving person does to his
local environment in his struggle to survive; lets just say it's not pretty at all) with humans consigned to starvation and worse in some kind of
desperate attempt to fix what has not been shown to be broken.
Stellar
You are the one who mentioned
smog. I made no mention of it. 
Look it's just
a bunch of nonsense anyways and i would love to see you try defend that 'fact' that we are killing 70 species a day! Who's doing the counting
anyways and how do you keep track of millions of beetle's anyways? You think chemtrails would be hard to hide but i can promise you the millions of
specialist required to crawl around your local forest would be somewhat harder to keep from view. 
