Does our air power have no rival?

hang on !

just one example:
in the USA the POGOOSTICK airplane was years before the british harrier hovering & flying !
and the RYAN VERTIJET was flying also plenty years before the G-VTOL proto just made his little jumps

kool what im talking about is the deal the US/UK made for the harriers
"you show us your plane we'll show u ours" and we did but u said it was against national security to show us yours

Originally posted by devilwasp
kool what im talking about is the deal the US/UK made for the harriers
"you show us your plane we'll show u ours" and we did but u said it was against national security to show us yours

What the heck are you talking about?

Ever hear of the Phantom? We built it and then sold it to you. We have never used national security as a reason to withhold anything from you. Otherwise you would not have Trident missiles on your Trafalgar class right now.

lying site RAF sobs!
sorry cool i have been mislead i hate the RAF even more now

Originally posted by COOL HANDyou would not have Trident missiles on your Trafalgar class right now.

Trafalger is an SSN class, you mean Vanguard.

Thanks to America for letting us have them btw, maybe we should give you the design to Spearfish torpedoes

Mmmmmmm Marconi Spearfish, heard of it, does 65-70 knots.

However if the Russians developed their Shkval rocket torpedo more, that would be the end of it, 200 knots is hellishly hard to dodge. If you're in a war and it came to it and if the rules of engagement permitted this nuclear armed beast to be used, game over.

That's if they fix the guidance problems that is, it does not have a terminal homing system, its all inertial as it cannot possibly track an enemy sub acoustically through its "bubble shield".

A conventional armed version is also under development.

"What about the Harrier II?

You did not have the infrastructure to build it, but we did and shared it with you.

Also, we improved on your initial design. Ever hear of the LERXs?

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That statement is totally false. In actual fact the LERX' were developed by BAe (as was) and the RAF together for the proposed 'big wing' Harrier GR5 which was more advanced than the AV-8B in every respect except its all metal wing, it was also to be the first RAF type with wing tip missiles - which doesn't count as an advanced feature, just a point of interest - as at the time we had not developed out CFC technology to the same level as the USA. CFC structures in the uk being limited to fairly small panels on Tornadoes and Jaguars at the time. The RAF was instructed by the MOD to evaluate the AV-8B as the fact of the USMC requiriing over 300 aircraft meant that the RAF's 100 could be acquired more cheaply than a uk only programme for 100 aircraft. The RAF reported that the AV-B failed to meet its requiremnets in several areas one of which was its 'instantaneous turn rate' which was regarded as 'poor'. As a result the AV-8B was fitted with LERX and a more powerful version of the Pegasus and the RAF upgraded it to 'acceptable'. The 'real' Harrier GR5 was shelved and the AV-8B was given the title upon the placing of the British order. The USMC naturally adopted this improvement which was publicised at the time of the RAF order as being a 'UK only' modification.

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Originally posted by COOL HAND


What the heck are you talking about?

Ever hear of the Phantom? We built it and then sold it to you. We have never used national security as a reason to withhold anything from you. Otherwise you would not have Trident missiles on your Trafalgar class right now.

sorry wrong plane i meant the first super sonic plane that you "borrowed" cough stole cough from us.

Do you mean the M.52 that I've just posted about? If so you are SO right. Also don't forget how De Havilland gave Boeing everything it learned from the Comet crashes to ensure the 707 didn't go the same way, including the DH 121 which miraculously turned into the 727 while our own DH121 emerged as the puny Trident after Government and BEA interference from which it never recovered. When De Havilland reqested their return visit it was a case of * cough cough * What visit? Still its not Americas fault that we're gullible.

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guiliable ? no. decieved by a wouldbe ally? yes.

Originally posted by Russian
Also I or anybody cant say how has the best air force cause their is alot of secrets we dont know.

Thats true. But how many countries have the capabilities to create a decent aircraft and keep it a secret. I would say currently US has no rival but a few years and Russia will be neck to neck with us. But thats good for the both of us because competition would push us both to our limits. As for China well there quite a few years behind. But at least there can make manufacture their own planes unlike most countries in the world.

I would like to think that it is the RAF that would be rivalling but sadly we just don't have the fundong.....I mean come on the US spends more on its military than the rest of the world put together, how can you compete witht that except through training (of which I am told the RAF has the best of in the world - argue away if you want, it is just something I have heard).

But seriously, the RAF's budget is slowly getting less and less whilst the need for it grows following Gulf War II (re-armament and the like) and now the government decides that it should retire out the jaguars leaving us with even less!

I will stop now as it's starting to sound too much like my rant in the rant forum......

Everything listed here that I read talked about "conventional" craft-jet fighters and such. What about the real good stuff that we have that we don't show that we would use on a real tough enemy like Russia or China. How would they react to anti-grav disks and triangles heading to them especially if no US markings.

Originally posted by Infidellic
I would like to think that it is the RAF that would be rivalling but sadly we just don't have the fundong.....I mean come on the US spends more on its military than the rest of the world put together, how can you compete witht that except through training (of which I am told the RAF has the best of in the world - argue away if you want, it is just something I have heard).

But seriously, the RAF's budget is slowly getting less and less whilst the need for it grows following Gulf War II (re-armament and the like) and now the government decides that it should retire out the jaguars leaving us with even less!

I will stop now as it's starting to sound too much like my rant in the rant forum......

you know whats stupid i wanna know where all our money goes cause frankly WHERE DOES IT GO!
our military funding is soo bad that FRANCE spends more money i mean come on FRANCE! we JUST beat germany for crying out loud.

Everything listed here that I read talked about "conventional" craft-jet fighters and such. What about the real good stuff that we have that we don't show that we would use on a real tough enemy like Russia or China. How would they react to anti-grav disks and triangles heading to them especially if no US markings.

Yes that is true what would ch9na think if all of our black aircraft started flying above them with no sound hypersonic speeds and firing particle beams. A former head of the skunk works before he died in the mid 90's said and I quote "we have stuff out there in the desert 50 years beyond what you can imagine"

It does'nt matter how strong the force is on paper. Take the Battle of Britain for example, the RAF were up against overwhelming odds with the luftwaffer (excuse spelling if incorrect) but through the pure determination as not to end up occupied like pretty much all of Europe and no doubt sheer desperation along with good training, certain bravery coupled with the best fighter planes of WW2 they managed to pull through.

What i'm trying to say is that if a country is so determined not to be over run and occupied it can pull off amazing feats. This no doubt has been obvious in the past loads of times.

And as for planes to be built in secret without any one knowing about it in this day and age did'nt the chinese build some new submarines without anyone knowing?

OK I cannot read through all this before I post =). Aircraft do not matter.

Detection matters.
Destroy range matters.

USA wins hands down.

Lasers, satelites and almost alien sensor equipment when compared to the rest of the world. Oh yea, and even our missles are light years ahead, but they are barely needed in this new age of laser and energy weapons.

Dog fights no longer matter. Guns on air superiority aircraft are optional.

In fact fighters will soon be optional! One large aircraft could control nearly a quarter of the earths air space! shhh! Soon ICBMS wont be much of a threat!

USA has tech you would not ever believe exists without seeing for yourself. heh.

Sadly all this tech cannot help with in city fighting but it can assure its not our city were fighting for

Actually, its not so secret. You get hints at what is allready in place just by reviewing this site and google searches. Just search with what you know and you can put it all together.

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A. satalites need time to adjust thier heading's so u would get one pass a day.
B. all you have is laser targeting not actual laser weapons and if you say that 747 with a laser on top show me one real life picture of it. all you have is plans no plane as such yet.
C. your radar isnt just yours lots of countries have it, hell im betting we have your radar.
D. its impossible to win a war without urban combat.

Originally posted by devilwasp

D. its impossible to win a war without urban combat.

Only if your goal is to take the land. Destroying an enemy's ability to project meaningful power does not require urban combat.


Lasers..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.spacedaily.com...

Please remeber as secret tech is revealed the tech is allready in use and 10 years old. Its just when they want to start selling it and using it in mass that you are allowed to know about it. It will be pretty obvious when we start deploying it. Hard to hide such things.Imagine shooting down things as small as Mach 3+ Air to Air missles with 100% accuracy. Ya think if it can do that it can shoot down a Jet or slow ICBM warhead or missle..

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[edit on 25-7-2004 by Xeven]

Devil Chinese radar wont do much good against our B-2's and other black aircraft also the only way we cant avoid urban combat is if our goal is to take china and win the hearts and minds of the people. Remember what happened to berlin there wasn't one building standing that is what will happen to Chinese cities the US will realize there are to many people to take cities so we will reduce all of Chinas cities to rubble then no urban combat. Plus devil here are some pics of US laser tech.





And this is what happens to missile s and artillery shells that are fired on by this laser.



Also devil is this enough pics to keep you quiet about the 747 with the laser on it?





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