Contridictions in the bible

they mean less than any other word...

words are used by the devil himself...

why would i allow one to pursuade my will by proxy of utilizing some of gods words for evil intent?

people know what right and wrong is when they are raised in a household of love...

so i refrain from all the ignorance and lies placed on the masses, so they see not their enemy...

[Edited on 5-11-2003 by bigsage]

A dear old teacher of mine once had a pretty good take on this topic. He used to be a priest, or pastor (I don't know which) so I think ya better pay attention k? As others have pointed out, the bible was written by mere mortals, with all of their frailties, but devinely inspired. Now think about that a moment. God is more than we can comprehend. So how can anyone take a multi-dimensional entity such as God, and reduce that entity down to a 2 dimensional sheet of paper? That is where the contradictions come into play, along with the translations, and human frailty.


Sorry about that, sometimes I get a little worked up about these kinds of things.

-P

I disagree. No matter how complex a subject is, there is still always fact, fiction, and theory. Some are indeed entirely fact - as far as we define our reality. It's just my opinion that the religious reality is both heavily influenced and contagious to the weak.
Any story told without contradiction is a good story....one that makes people comprehend and say to themselves, "Yes, this does make perfect sense. No reason to question this." I seriously doubt any of you could pick up a bible for the first time at, say, age 25 - without previous knowledge of "God" - and take it seriously. It's the people you've known, what they've told you, and whether or not you believed them. Were it not for the idea that people have molded from a very vague and confusing old tale, there would be no religion. Why is it so damn important that we have a creator? What difference could it possibly make. Heaven? What a strange concept to those who were not influenced by religion! And why weren't we influenced? What's different about people that don't need religion? Sorry...I'm rambling now. This topic always intrigues me. See, I don't need to believe. To me, it's quite insane. I need a story to make sense. I have to be able to lay it all out in a line (so to speak), and it's all there...containing all the facts with no contradictions. Try telling anyone any story with contradictions and see if they'll believe you. Of course, if you tell them not to question it, then I guess they have no choice but to believe, huh?

You know what I find interesting is the amount of time people who claim that they do not believe in God spend on trying to convince others that God does not exist. Also they seem to like to call anyone who does believe in God as being stupid and weak minded. It strikes me that perhaps these people deep down really do believe that God exists and feel the need to keep convincing themselves that God does not exist. They feel compelled to keep stating that God does not exist to keep convincing themselves.

Originally posted by jagdflieger
You know what I find interesting is the amount of time people who claim that they do not believe in God spend on trying to convince others that God does not exist. Also they seem to like to call anyone who does believe in God as being stupid and weak minded. It strikes me that perhaps these people deep down really do believe that God exists and feel the need to keep convincing themselves that God does not exist. They feel compelled to keep stating that God does not exist to keep convincing themselves.

That's not it at all. I'm just trying to make sense of the reasons you feel it necessary. Of course, not understanding why, I do feel that it's foolish. No offense intended. That's just how it looks to me. It's the same as those people who insisted the world was flat, even after it had been proven false. They were willing to cheat, lie, and kill to deny the fact. Why? I've yet to ever see or hear of one secular individual who felt it necessary to kill a religious person. Who are the wrong doers here? I've also yet to know any secular individuals who bring the subject up, unless some xian has already gone off quoting scriptures, or spouting out their theory as if it were fact. You just can't understand how tired we get of hearing that crap. If you'd just refrain from that BS, we'd never insult you. Nor would we have any reason to argue your beliefs. By being a "proud xian" who wants to "spread the word", you bring it upon yourself. I never have these conversations in real life. I avoid them like the plague, because I know that reprogramming these people to see logic is impossible. They've been trained to deny logic, in favor of their (forced, or "faithful") beliefs. I believe in fact and methodical science. None of which the bible supports in the least.

[Edited on 11-7-2003 by Satyr]

Originally posted by Satyr

That's not it at all. I'm just trying to make sense of the reasons you feel it necessary. Of course, not understanding why, I do feel that it's foolish. No offense intended. That's just how it looks to me. It's the same as those people who insisted the world was flat, even after it had been proven false. They were willing to cheat, lie, and kill to deny the fact. Why? I've yet to ever see or hear of one secular individual who felt it necessary to kill a religious person. Who are the wrong doers here? I've also yet to know any secular individuals who bring the subject up, unless some xian has already gone off quoting scriptures, or spouting out their theory as if it were fact. You just can't understand how tired we get of hearing that crap. If you'd just refrain from that BS, we'd never insult you. Nor would we have any reason to argue your beliefs. By being a "proud xian" who wants to "spread the word", you bring it upon yourself. I never have these conversations in real life. I avoid them like the plague, because I know that reprogramming these people to see logic is impossible. They've been trained to deny logic, in favor of their (forced, or "faithful") beliefs. I believe it fact and methodical science. None of which the bible supports in the least.

[Edited on 11-6-2003 by Satyr]

I totally agree. Religious books are appealing to a lot of people, not because they appear logical, but because they tell a powerful story. The inherent need to believe in these people is much stronger than any logical analysis. It reminds me of the X-Files poster "I want to believe." Some actual christians have actually forged documents to make it look like ancient historians mentionned Jesus as an historical character (one Josephus reference for example) If it's not christianity, it's UFO or New Age religions. As long as it gives neat easy answers to everything in a single book, it will attract a lot of followers.

After reading The Christ Conspiracy, and Deconstructing Jesus, I don't see how anyone could still believe that what is contained in the Bible is anything more than mythology. Same goes for the other religions.

Try doing your homework. There are plenty of answers here:

www.google.com.au...

Have you actually read the bible from cover to cover before giving your opinion????

Helioform and Satyr�

I do believe that you think it�s all just a fable, a myth, not science etc. You guys are talking about logic� do you know what logic really is? You are talking about holding fate to something what has no good funding� then tell me what you can so logically dismiss as being really happened. You are saying that the Bible doesn�t support science� any idea about how the logic fits in science?

After reading The Christ Conspiracy, and Deconstructing Jesus, I don't see how anyone could still believe that what is contained in the Bible is anything more than mythology. Same goes for the other religions.

Well, if it goes not just for the Bible but also for the other religions then I guess you really read them� because you aren�t going to say 3 billion of people are wrong, because you know one book� are you?

Then tell me how you can eliminate these facts as not fitting into science:
The Mahabharata describes an anatomic war of the Gods, with radio-activity, the part were the war of the Gods were held still have a very high radio-activity level.
The Ark of the Covenant is described in 50 pages in the Zohar, as being the machine which produced the Manna for the Israelites.
Ezekiel does describe the sweetness of God just like a spaceship.
The Bible claims that the Giants made by God have build the Refaim in Israel, any other explanation for the Refaim?
The Gods of the Egyptians, the Bible, the Koran, the Mayans, the Babylon�s, the Greece and the Sumerians all say to have come from the star Sirius.
Technologies and Aircraft�s are described in Indian texts, which are thousands of years old.
Mayan and Egyptian calendar both end in 2012.
Greece say that the Gods destroyed many cities.
Tell me how the Gods are not true if the God of Moses fought against the God of the Egyptians.
Tell me why the Egyptians build those pyramids for the Gods (with their shafts pointed to Sirius and Orion) and saying that the Gods looked amphibious.
How is it possible that just when people said that the Gods were there, we evolved so fast technologically while we were at the same level the 2 million years therefore.
Tell me then also how the Dogontribe and the Sumerians knew that Sirius had more then one star, while that was just discovered in the 19th century.
Why were also pyramids build in China?
What happens to the story of Atlantis?
Why do al the beliefs think the Gods were real and will come back?

Why do 3 billion people believing in something of which is only the evidence in the books, and why are scientists saying that it�s all just a riddle, while the beliefs themselves solves so many scientific questions?

Do you really have the answer at these questions� or are the beliefs perhaps not such wonderful fantasies as you thought they were?

[Edited on 6-11-2003 by LeenBekkemaa]

That's not it at all. I'm just trying to make sense of the reasons you feel it necessary. Of course, not understanding why, I do feel that it's foolish. No offense intended. That's just how it looks to me. It's the same as those people who insisted the world was flat, even after it had been proven false. They were willing to cheat, lie, and kill to deny the fact. Why? I've yet to ever see or hear of one secular individual who felt it necessary to kill a religious person. Who are the wrong doers here? I've also yet to know any secular individuals who bring the subject up, unless some xian has already gone off quoting scriptures, or spouting out their theory as if it were fact. You just can't understand how tired we get of hearing that crap. If you'd just refrain from that BS, we'd never insult you. Nor would we have any reason to argue your beliefs. By being a "proud xian" who wants to "spread the word", you bring it upon yourself. I never have these conversations in real life. I avoid them like the plague, because I know that reprogramming these people to see logic is impossible. They've been trained to deny logic, in favor of their (forced, or "faithful") beliefs. I believe it fact and methodical science. None of which the bible supports in the least.

In truth you have never made an intellectually honest attempt to understand the subject.
There are many people here who claim to have made a study of Christianity and yet show
a woeful lack of understanding some basic concepts of the Christian Faith and the Bible.
For example the individual who saw a contradiction �Circumcision is required Gen.17:10),
and useless (Gal. 5:2)� indicates a basic lack of knowledge of the Covenant of Law versus
the Covenant of Grace. Indeed this person has looked at only one passage in Galatians
and has ignored the entire context of Galatians. Yet people like this wonder why
Christians get exasperated when they make statements like the one quoted. For example,
in your quote �people who insisted the world was flat� shows a total ignorance of the
history of the Roman Catholic Church. There never was an issue of if the world was flat.
The issue was the geocentric view of cosmology versus the heliocentric view of
cosmology. Again critics show their total ignorance of historical fact because the Roman
Catholic Church�s stance on the geocentric theory of cosmology was based primarily on
Aristotle, a Greek pagan philosopher. Then you state �I've yet to ever see or hear of one
secular individual who felt it necessary to kill a religious person�. Well have you ever
studied the history of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, the communists in China, the
communists in Nepal, the Pol Phot regime?

Then you go on with �I've also yet to know any secular individuals who bring the subject
up, unless some xian has already gone off quoting scriptures, or spouting out their theory
as if it were fact.� Again I will state, you are not forced to read articles in this part of the
Forum. Indeed you have come here on your own free will and have read the posts. Yet
you feel that it is some basic violation of your rights for a Christian to post their beliefs in
this particular part of the Board. How is that these beliefs are being forced down your
throat when you can choose not to read these articles or not to respond? Indeed I am
beginning to suspicion that you sir are really an enemy of free speech. That you only want
free speech for the atheists and non-believers and that you desire to limit the free speech of
theists.

You state �You just can't understand how tired we get of hearing that crap�. Again no
one has forced you to read the threads. We also get tired of your crap. We get tired of
your insults, we get tired of being called �stupid� and �insane� and seeing statements like:

I think it's really because those people are easily led and programmed. They tend not to have a mind of their own, IMO. They're more empty shells filled with the veiwpoints of others. These empty shells have an undying need to fill themselves with whatever they can. God is a nice filler for these empty shells, apparently.

I don't judge Lego users, unless they become convinced that their Legos have magical powers (even though the Legos have never done anything to suggest this possibility) and become obsessed with making it known to everyone else in the Lego kingdom. It's these people I have to call insane.

They've been trained to deny logic, in favor of their (forced, or "faithful") beliefs. I believe it fact and methodical science. None of which the bible supports in the least.

Yes we get tired of being called stupid, insane, and ignorant by people who show that they
have no clue as to the very basics of Christianity and Christian doctrine. We get tired of
your insults to our intelligence especially when the one who insults us has never bothered
to read any articles which shows that our faith is reasonable. We get tired of the critics
who keep running out the same old (yes old) �Biblical contradictions� by people who
show no understanding of the context in which it was written and have never bothered to
learn the context in which it was written (and probably have never read the Bible
themselves). We also grow tired of those people with their �Biblical contradictions�
dismissing our responses when we answer to those �contradictions�. These type of people
are not being honest with their criticism. They just dishonestly post �Biblical
contradictions� as a means of validating their unbelief and do not truly desire a response.
Yes these people are being intellectually dishonest; they make a �criticism� claiming they
desire a response and yet have no real intention of accepting any refutation of their claim.
Indeed it does not take much insight to realize that responding to these type of criticisms
is basically a waste of time. Normally the procedure is as follows:

1. Critic (atheist) goes to some web site (usually www.skepticsannotatedbible.com) and
finds some �Biblical contradictions�.
2. Critic posts them on Forum Board and claims that he is being intellectually honest.
Note that Critic never checks to determine that an answer (refutation) exists at many well
known Christian web sites. (Which they do since most of these �Biblical contradictions�
are based on stuff done by long dead atheists.) However Critic claims that he is being
unbiased and open minded and has done much research on the subject.
3. Christian responds with a refutation. If Christians links to a web site for the refutation,
Critic howls with rage that Christian is not capable of thinking for himself. Regardless
Critic rejects refutation. Note that Critic just copied someone else�s �Biblical
contradictions� (and then has the gall to say the Christian is not capable of thinking for
himself).

Yes we grow tired of people who voluntarily come to an open forum board and
voluntarily read articles and then complain about �beliefs being forced down their throat�.
To me it is like the man who paid admission to enter an X-rated theater and then
complained about being forced to watch pornography. No one forced you here, no one
forced you to read the threads. Yet you complain bitterly when a Christian post his beliefs
and supports it. You complain bitterly when you insult the intelligence of people by
calling them �stupid�, �insane�, and �illogical� and then they defend themselves. You say
you are tired of Christian �BS�. Well sometimes we grow tired of your �BS� - your
insults, your complete ignorance of the subject, your claimed �open mindness�, your
blatant misquotes, your misconceptions, and your complete dismissing of any refutation to
your criticisms.

As for me, time grows short, and I grow weary of the game.

Unfortunately, the "world is flat" analogy can be used against itself. Perhaps those who say there is no God are in the same boat as the ones who beleive the world is flat. I have asked this before, in other discussions, and I have to ask it here. Why are you, you? Why aren't you someone else? Who decided? Why is your awareness only limited to you? Can you explain that with your logic? Yeah, we are self aware, and all of that, but why is it that you are self aware of yourself, and not someone else self aware of themselves (like in a different body)? EVERY answer I have received to that question has been religious, why? Because there is nothing scientific, or logical to explain it. Self awareness doesn't answer that question because it doesn't address the issue of who made the decision as to who is self aware of which body. If you wanna poke holes in the Bible, cool. Anyone can do that, really. It doesn't take a genious to do something like that. Frailty of language, humans, and everything else we have discussed. You can do that with ANY book BTW. you can't deny, however, certain mysteries that are utterly basic to our very existence.

-P

Originally posted by Satyr

Originally posted by jagdflieger
You know what I find interesting is the amount of time people who claim that they do not believe in God spend on trying to convince others that God does not exist. Also they seem to like to call anyone who does believe in God as being stupid and weak minded. It strikes me that perhaps these people deep down really do believe that God exists and feel the need to keep convincing themselves that God does not exist. They feel compelled to keep stating that God does not exist to keep convincing themselves.

That's not it at all. I'm just trying to make sense of the reasons you feel it necessary. Of course, not understanding why, I do feel that it's foolish. No offense intended. That's just how it looks to me. It's the same as those people who insisted the world was flat, even after it had been proven false. They were willing to cheat, lie, and kill to deny the fact. Why? I've yet to ever see or hear of one secular individual who felt it necessary to kill a religious person. Who are the wrong doers here? I've also yet to know any secular individuals who bring the subject up, unless some xian has already gone off quoting scriptures, or spouting out their theory as if it were fact. You just can't understand how tired we get of hearing that crap. If you'd just refrain from that BS, we'd never insult you. Nor would we have any reason to argue your beliefs. By being a "proud xian" who wants to "spread the word", you bring it upon yourself. I never have these conversations in real life. I avoid them like the plague, because I know that reprogramming these people to see logic is impossible. They've been trained to deny logic, in favor of their (forced, or "faithful") beliefs. I believe it fact and methodical science. None of which the bible supports in the least.

[Edited on 11-6-2003 by Satyr]

actually logic is one of the first forms of the creator, what is wrong with logic?

and you bible thumpers need to chill deos your bible say that you will judge another man because of his differences?

thus leading to the largest and main conspiracy in religion, a way to illogically judge another one of the fathers creations...

Originally posted by LeenBekkemaa
Helioform and Satyr�

I do believe that you think it�s all just a fable, a myth, not science etc. You guys are talking about logic� do you know what logic really is? You are talking about holding fate to something what has no good funding� then tell me what you can so logically dismiss as being really happened. You are saying that the Bible doesn�t support science� any idea about how the logic fits in science?

After reading The Christ Conspiracy, and Deconstructing Jesus, I don't see how anyone could still believe that what is contained in the Bible is anything more than mythology. Same goes for the other religions.

Well, if it goes not just for the Bible but also for the other religions then I guess you really read them� because you aren�t going to say 3 billion of people are wrong, because you know one book� are you?

Then tell me how you can eliminate these facts as not fitting into science:
The Mahabharata describes an anatomic war of the Gods, with radio-activity, the part were the war of the Gods were held still have a very high radio-activity level.
The Ark of the Covenant is described in 50 pages in the Zohar, as being the machine which produced the Manna for the Israelites.
Ezekiel does describe the sweetness of God just like a spaceship.
The Bible claims that the Giants made by God have build the Refaim in Israel, any other explanation for the Refaim?
The Gods of the Egyptians, the Bible, the Koran, the Mayans, the Babylon�s, the Greece and the Sumerians all say to have come from the star Sirius.
Technologies and Aircraft�s are described in Indian texts, which are thousands of years old.
Mayan and Egyptian calendar both end in 2012.
Greece say that the Gods destroyed many cities.
Tell me how the Gods are not true if the God of Moses fought against the God of the Egyptians.
Tell me why the Egyptians build those pyramids for the Gods (with their shafts pointed to Sirius and Orion) and saying that the Gods looked amphibious.
How is it possible that just when people said that the Gods were there, we evolved so fast technologically while we were at the same level the 2 million years therefore.
Tell me then also how the Dogontribe and the Sumerians knew that Sirius had more then one star, while that was just discovered in the 19th century.
Why were also pyramids build in China?
What happens to the story of Atlantis?
Why do al the beliefs think the Gods were real and will come back?

Why do 3 billion people believing in something of which is only the evidence in the books, and why are scientists saying that it�s all just a riddle, while the beliefs themselves solves so many scientific questions?

Do you really have the answer at these questions� or are the beliefs perhaps not such wonderful fantasies as you thought they were?

[Edited on 6-11-2003 by LeenBekkemaa]

Could 3 billions be wrong? Well, if you compile the three major religions, and if you assume that they're not all deluded, then 2/3 of them MUST be wrong. Why? Simply because all these religions have saviors who all claim to be the only "one," and they all contradict each other. One of them is the right one or none are. The problem is that there is a ton of savior god stories that precede christianity, and they all have very similar aspects. So if I have to accept that Jesus existed, I have to accept that Zeus also existed - but there is no historial proof that he ever did.

Acharya S. makes a good argument that these characters are actually astrotheological symbols, meaning that they are personifications of celestial bodies like the Sun, the Moon, the Earth etc.

As for your other points,

-I know a bit about the vedic records and how they allegedly detail atomic warfare and technology, but I didn't find the arguments too convincing.

-I think Ezekiel is probably one of the most liberally interpreted book, after Revelation. Some people see UFO's everywhere I guess. "Wheels within wheels" for example looks like a description of the Zodiac more than anything else to me. The four creatures in Revelation represent 4 astrological signs... so that's a clue.

- The Ark of Covenant; I'm going to quote Acharya S, author of Christ Conspiracy:

"Also, as can be seen from the spoof of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" called "Ark of the Sun God," even such moderns as those who wrote and produced that B-movie are apparently aware of Yahweh as a sun god. Regarding the notorious "Ark of the Covenant," for which so many have sought in vain, the fact is that the numerous tribal gods of the Levant and Egypt had their arks in which to ride, while carried by their followers. In reality, the tale of the thousands being killed by the biblical ark, which has caused so much sci-fi, Indian Jones-type speculation, apparently revolves around the actions by priests against those who dared to look into the ark and found it devoid of the fabricated divinity. As an example of the covenant-ark motif in the religions of other cultures, ancient Egyptian priests paraded a shrine to the Oracle of Ham/Am, the sun, which was a "boat" or "ship" (ark) in which the God, according to Diodorus, was carried. The "ark of the covenant" motif, then, is another common one, found in a variety of cultures."

- "Giants" could be a description of fairly tall humans. Or more likely, a poetic description of the strength of a mythic tribe.

-The Egyptian calendar doesn't end in 2012, and 2012 is not the end of the Mayan calendar either, but the end of a cycle. It's not going to end until the 50th century.

- I think the building of the pyramids to correspond with certain constellations is a hint that the "Gods" they were describing actually WERE the constellations, hence all the various names/myths attributed to them. Just like they personified the Sun (Osiris/Set, sun rise and sun set for example), they also personified constellations.

-The story of the Dogon tribe is disputed so I wouldn't rely on that too much.

-Building of pyramids around the world proves nothing about the existence of "Gods."

-Atlantis has never been proven to have existed.

-If the "Gods" were actually astrotheological symbols, like the evidence shows, then they WILL and HAVE come back already.

[Edited on 6-11-2003 by Helioform]

Originally posted by jagdflieger
In truth you have never made an intellectually honest attempt to understand the subject.

Oh, but I have. That's just no longer a part of my life. I made an honest, non-biased attempt, long before I'd decided that it's a bunch of hooey. Living in the south for 15yrs had alot to do with my decision.

There are many people here who claim to have made a study of Christianity and yet show
a woeful lack of understanding some basic concepts of the Christian Faith and the Bible.

That because it's like trying to make sense of "Fear and Loathing in LasVegas". There's no point in it at all. It's just confusion and/or vague misinterpretations backed by nothing but your word.

For example the individual who saw a contradiction �Circumcision is required Gen.17:10),
and useless (Gal. 5:2)� indicates a basic lack of knowledge of the Covenant of Law versus
the Covenant of Grace. Indeed this person has looked at only one passage in Galatians
and has ignored the entire context of Galatians. Yet people like this wonder why
Christians get exasperated when they make statements like the one quoted. For example,
in your quote �people who insisted the world was flat� shows a total ignorance of the
history of the Roman Catholic Church. There never was an issue of if the world was flat.

You need to do some studying. Astronomy was a sin.

Then you state �I've yet to ever see or hear of one secular individual who felt it necessary to kill a religious person�. Well have you ever
studied the history of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, the communists in China, the
communists in Nepal, the Pol Phot regime?

Can't say I have. I'm talking more about English/American religion, I suppose. Admittedly, I don't know much Russian history. You're also talking about communists.

Then you go on with �I've also yet to know any secular individuals who bring the subject
up, unless some xian has already gone off quoting scriptures, or spouting out their theory
as if it were fact.� Again I will state, you are not forced to read articles in this part of the
Forum. Indeed you have come here on your own free will and have read the posts. Yet
you feel that it is some basic violation of your rights for a Christian to post their beliefs in
this particular part of the Board.

Do I? I don't recall ever saying that. I was fully aware of what kind of BS I'd find here.

How is that these beliefs are being forced down your throat when you can choose not to read these articles or not to respond? Indeed I am beginning to suspicion that you sir are really an enemy of free speech. That you only want free speech for the atheists and non-believers and that you desire to limit the free speech of theists.

I love free speech. It's ignorance and brainwashing I'm against.

You state �You just can't understand how tired we get of hearing that crap�. Again no
one has forced you to read the threads. We also get tired of your crap. We get tired of
your insults, we get tired of being called �stupid� and �insane�....

It's everyday life that bothers me. You're 100% correct. No one forced anyone to come here. If you're tired of it, you too can choose not to read my posts. I believe this board has an ignore feature, does it not? You could just ignore everyone who disagrees with you. But why would you come here then? You're obviously looking for a debate as much as anyone here.

As for me, time grows short, and I grow weary of the game.

Then go gather in your private cult and hang with your own. This is a controversy forum. You can't be so naive as to expect nobody to attack your non-factual beliefs. If so, I feel sorry for you.

Originally posted by Jubilee
Try doing your homework. There are plenty of answers here:

www.google.com.au...

Yes, I've read the xian responses to a lot of them. Most of them are long winded, confusing explanations that reach as far as their theories, and make about as much sense as the bible....which is # all, IMO.

Have you actually read the bible from cover to cover before giving your opinion????

Yep. Twice. And I've looked up many scriptures in my research. Mind you, I feel no obligation to memorize this crap, since I consider it complete fallacy.

After reading The Christ Conspiracy, and Deconstructing Jesus, I don't see how anyone could still believe that what is contained in the Bible is anything more than mythology. Same goes for the other religions.

Acharya S. makes a good argument that these characters are actually astrotheological symbols, meaning that they are personifications of celestial bodies like the Sun, the Moon, the Earth etc.

Acharya S did not do all her home work. Her information is very flawed (for example the statement is made a her web site that Shakymuni Buddha was crucified - actually he died of old age.) For a general refutation of the Parallels to the Jesus Myth see my posting in (near bottom of Page 1):

www.abovetopsecret.com...

For an atheist comments on Graves work and Jesus parallels in general see:

www.infidels.org...

To quote Mr. James Carrier (atheist author of above page): "I have confirmed only two real "resurrected" deities with some uncanny similarity to Jesus which are actually reported before Christian times, Zalmoxis and Inanna, neither of which is mentioned by Graves or John G. Jackson."

Also see
www.tektonics.org...

Originally posted by jagdflieger

Acharya S did not do all her home work. Her information is very flawed (for example the statement is made a her web site that Shakymuni Buddha was crucified - actually he died of old age.) For a general refutation of the Parallels to the Jesus Myth see my posting in (near bottom of Page 1):

She does make some associations based on speculative information, but her work is far from being "very flawed." Most of what she says is factual. Some accounts report Buddha being crucified to a cruciform tree.

Here's a summary of 3 saviors with very similar stories; Krishna, Buddha and Jesus:

www.crosscircle.com...