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Originally posted by stumason
You know Hilary will win the next election. She attended the Bildergerg meeting, as did David Cameron of the UK. He and the conservatives will win the next Uk election.
You heard it here first
Originally posted by Nygdan
The entire arguement for withdrawl is that Iraq is stable enough to suceed.
Originally posted by smokenmirrors
You and your anti-war crowd explain to me your understanding of the spread of Islamofacism?
The Iraqi insurgency is composed of at least a dozen major guerilla organizations and perhaps as many as 40 distinct groups. These groups are subdivided into countless smaller cells. Due to its clandestine nature, the exact composition of the Iraqi insurgency is difficult to determine.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Iraq will descend into anarchy. The entire arguement for withdrawl is that Iraq is stable enough to suceed. This document argues against withdrawl.
Originally posted by grover
Originally posted by smokenmirrors
Originally posted by grover
AHH... The silence of the Bush/war supporters is deafening.
And I suppoes you will and do delight in the following quote from this thread's referenced article, hoping beyond all hope the US pulls out of Iraq, abandons the country to those who will force upon the populace this?
"As Islamic militancy increases, women find it increasingly dangerous not to wear a veil in Sunni and Shia neighbourhoods. One was warned not to drive a car. Others were told to cover their faces and to stop using mobile phones. Threats against women who do not accept this second class status have escalated in the last two months. It has also become dangerous for men to wear shorts or jeans in public or for children to play outside wearing shorts."
You and your anti-war crowd explain to me your understanding of the spread of Islamofacism?
Shall it be left to topple governments world wide?
Do you see it as a threat?
When the above referenced militancy establishes itself in your homeland will you be happy to live by it's dictates?
And you women of western culture who enjoy freedoms of expression, speech, dress, choice, what say you of the plight of women as described above?
Are you outspoken women prepared to enjoy "second class status"?
Are you willing to submit?
What arthors of simplistic sentiments fail to understand is that first off this is Bushes war, it is a war of choice, not necessity, not even by the standards of cold war necessity. It is driven by ego and greed, everything else is just rhetoric to justify its existance. Our men and women, God bless em, ARE DYING FOR NOTHING!!! Not weapons of mass destruction, not 9/11, not some neblious war on terrorism....NOTHING but a petty little man's (Bush) ego. Second of all...are you really so befuddled as to think that an Islamic/facaist state would overwhelm the west and take over? Oh come on now you have been listening to way too much mush loosebowels and talk radio. And finally When are you dittoheads gonna get it through your pea sized brains that opposition to Bushes splendid little war DOES NOT MEAN we support the terrorists...the with us or againist us rhetoric was just that, rhetoric. I love my country, but I love my planet more and I want to see all of us grow, develop and prosper, not just some corporate fat cats, which is all this damned misadventure is doing, fattening up the fat.
Originally posted by smokenmirrors
You and your anti-war crowd explain to me your understanding of the spread of Islamofacism?
Shall it be left to topple governments world wide?
Do you see it as a threat?
When the above referenced militancy establishes itself in your homeland will you be happy to live by it's dictates?
And you women of western culture who enjoy freedoms of expression, speech, dress, choice, what say you of the plight of women as described above?
Are you outspoken women prepared to enjoy "second class status"?
Are you willing to submit?
Originally posted by xpert11
Originally posted by smokenmirrors
You and your anti-war crowd explain to me your understanding of the spread of Islamofacism?
Your response is sadly predictable.
By your way of thinking it is wrong to oppose sheer incomptance from civilian leaders which they now in part admit to. Saddam was a minor nusicance who was the glue that held the geographical area known as Iraq.
As for Islamofacism thats one of the groups who oppose the Afgan government.
Remember Afghanistan ?
How soon people forgot when the media casts its eyes elsewhere.
[edit on 22-6-2006 by xpert11]
Originally posted by smokenmirrors
And I suppoes you will and do delight in the following quote from this thread's referenced article, hoping beyond all hope the US pulls out of Iraq, abandons the country to those who will force upon the populace this?
"As Islamic militancy increases, women find it increasingly dangerous not to wear a veil in Sunni and Shia neighbourhoods. One was warned not to drive a car. Others were told to cover their faces and to stop using mobile phones. Threats against women who do not accept this second class status have escalated in the last two months. It has also become dangerous for men to wear shorts or jeans in public or for children to play outside wearing shorts."
You and your anti-war crowd explain to me your understanding of the spread of Islamofacism?
Shall it be left to topple governments world wide?
Not at all. It is definitely an issue for human rights and women's rights - but not a war time consideration.
Do you see it as a threat?
When the above referenced militancy establishes itself in your homeland will you be happy to live by it's dictates?
And you women of western culture who enjoy freedoms of expression, speech, dress, choice, what say you of the plight of women as described above?
Are you outspoken women prepared to enjoy "second class status"?
Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Some people tell me that lots of nasty men with beards and headscarfs and funny ways are coming to enslave me and my women and to destroy my comfortable way of life.
Ah, I see you were in a jovial mood here, great!
Which governments do you have in mind. I can't see any of the governments of the Americas succumbing to hirsute marauders. Ditto Australia, China, Japan, Russia, New Zealand...I could go on. Oh yes, and the UK.
The simple truth is, I believe, that the peoples of my land would rise up en masse and spill blood before they are dictated to by anyone from within their country.
You know there are a few countries thus far who have made concessions to the Islamofacist radicals, do not make a fool of me my friend.
Originally posted by rich23
the US simply cannot do any good in Iraq.
xpert11
The current situation in Iraq isnt so much about fighting al qaeda terrorists
Iraq will face internal security problems even after the insurgency has been contained
KhieuSamphan
Some people tell me that lots of nasty men with beards and headscarfs and funny ways are coming to enslave me and my women and to destroy my comfortable way of life.
The simple truth is, I believe, that the peoples of my land would rise up en masse and spill blood before they are dictated to by anyone from within their country.
Originally posted by smokenmirrors
"As Islamic militancy increases, women find it increasingly dangerous not to wear a veil in Sunni and Shia neighbourhoods. One was warned not to drive a car. Others were told to cover their faces and to stop using mobile phones. Threats against women who do not accept this second class status have escalated in the last two months. It has also become dangerous for men to wear shorts or jeans in public or for children to play outside wearing shorts."
You and your anti-war crowd explain to me your understanding of the spread of Islamofacism?
Shall it be left to topple governments world wide?
Do you see it as a threat?
When the above referenced militancy establishes itself in your homeland will you be happy to live by it's dictates?
And you women of western culture who enjoy freedoms of expression, speech, dress, choice, what say you of the plight of women as described above?
Are you outspoken women prepared to enjoy "second class status"?
Are you willing to submit?
Originally posted by Nygdan
Enslave? No. But launch terror attacks like in Israel, or on 911? Clearly, they are. They have a major problem with the US, as a global superpower that is involved in the world's affairs. If it was just a beef with the US military influence, heck, teh US might be able to just pull out entirely from the rest of the world.
But the problem is also that the west and the US have cultural effects that can't be contained, and that it is home to companies that are large, legal, and powerful, and these things all make the islamists feel inferior
And that leads to the terrorism
If we want the US to become like Israel, and have constant terror attacks, then, yeah, we can pull out of Iraq, or even just sit in Iraq and do nothing else. If we want any chance of stopping that situation, we need to re-roganize the entire middle east along democratic lines.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Enslave? No. But launch terror attacks like in Israel, or on 911?
All of this argues for, rather than withdrawl from Iraq, for invasion and re-organization of the entire middle east.
Originally posted by Aelita
Originally posted by smokenmirrors
"As Islamic militancy increases, women find it increasingly dangerous not to wear a veil in Sunni and Shia neighbourhoods. One was warned not to drive a car. Others were told to cover their faces and to stop using mobile phones. Threats against women who do not accept this second class status have escalated in the last two months. It has also become dangerous for men to wear shorts or jeans in public or for children to play outside wearing shorts."
Originally posted by Aelita
No they don't. Large companies are not a consideration to a religious person.
try and influence a larger military power from lands preceived as occupied.
Iraq, the best that can exist is a shaky balance of power between ultra-religious Shia, moderate Shia, Sunni etc.
For one, the terror attack in London was in large part provoked by the war in Iraq
KhieuSamphan
To be honest, Israel's proximity to it's enemies make it's own and America's situations rather different
There are ways and means of dealing with this prospect, however.
but I am not going to accuse you of being a warmonger or 'an evil American'.
Given the uproar caused by the original invasion post-9/11, do you think further intervention would be supported by the US's allies
does the US have both the manpower and the fiscal resources to expand the conflict
It did make the think that it some may perceive that it could be in the interests of Britain to withdraw from the conflict
I believe some dissent in congress does originate as a result of the escalating costs of the war, and we do occasionally hear of how unpopular a draft would be, should it be required.
Originally posted by Nygdan
[ Regardless, the Iraq War is a test of the US's ability to re-organize the middle east along democratic lines, and thus, a premier front in the struggle between the US and Al Qaida / the West vs. Islamism
Indeed. Infact, its possible that the US can leave iraq while the insurgency is still 'strong and uncontained', so long as the iraqi government has a solid military base to stand on (ie, there aren't entire brigades that are fronts for the insurgency, there aren't popular militias providing provincial security, etc).
Originally posted by Nygdan
How long before its organized anti-government rocket brigades, along the lines of the Hamas Qassim brigades?
There are ways and means of dealing with this prospect, however.
I agree, BUT, its far better for us to occupy Iraq and have the struggle go one there, than to have things like the PATRIOT Act in force permanently in the US, or even MORE restrictive acts.
Howard and Blair would go for it, perhaps, but who knows what will happen when they are out.
There are a large number that can be sent into Iraq and Syria.
A draft is not required. If it ever got to the point that the US itself was threatened globally, perhaps then a draft woudl be initiated, and then people would be flocking to it anyway.
The Heritage Foundation
In 2003, 387,920 troops were stationed on foreign soil. This figure is out of a total of 1,434,377 personnel.
As far as finance, I think the US can hold out on that front longer than the insurgencies.
In a real dire circumstance, the US could just take control of oil sales from iraq, or 'borrow', or, hell, tax, iraq for the US pressence.
Well, crap. You're no fun.