The Tower of Babel

As I understand it after the fabled Tower of Babel was designed and constructed before the pyramids were considered (according to the Bible). This is not to say I am in agreement but nonetheless let us consider a potential timeline. In which Pyramids, which express erosion by water in the Sahara (10,000 years ago), were predated by the events at Babel. Could they have built something, which made the Pyramids seem a more subdued version? Is the Ark of the Covenant Gods way of presenting "Hey these are my people!!" If not so what is the function and purpose of constructing a building, which reaches to God, when an object, which can fit in the average living room, does suffice?

The Israelites were known in there early days as the "ones forgotten or abandoned." Is it possible they are the ones who returned from the Western Hemisphere (the horizon thought as heaven) and despite all the hostility did wish to stay.

Truth the only person who belongs in Hell is you!!!

Judge?

that one called the only truth is the prankster james who
has no class. read that response, i never judge any human.

peace.

I hate to burst your bubble toltec but it is the SPHINX that shows signs of water erosion, the pyramids are little more then 5,000 years old at most, and it was indeed Kufu (Cheops) who built the great pyramid in what? 1600 BC? hmm I don't remember the dates all too well

All the erosion on the pyramids, particularly the great pyramid is due to man...during the dark age (christian inspired dark age :mad much of the know how to cut stones well was lost and they looted the casing stones from the pyramids for those reasons, along with vandalism

Sincerely,
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Speaking of bubbles hate to burst yours but in fact the Pyramids have been affected by errision which is the result of water (as in rain). It has not rained in the saharah in at least 8 thousand years. Sugest you check your facts and get back to me (perhaps with a link which refutes all the others I have collected to date). look foward to hearing from you FM.

As FreeMason said, it wasn't the Pyramids that show water erosion...It was the Sphynx & the containment walls surrounding it. The limestone casing stones (& the capstone) *were* removed for the purpose of erecting other buildings...Long *after* Egypt's old "rainy season". Where did you find reference to water erosion on the pyramid? I have several books about the Pyramids & the Sphynx but remember nothing about water erosion on the Pyramids themselves.

Nonetheless, the main difference between the Tower & the Ark is that the Tower was intended for Man to reach Heaven while the Ark was God's "contract" to Man on how to reach Him; Remember that the construction of the Ark came *before* the Ten Commandments. Within the context of the story, it was Man's arrogance & pride for building the Tower that God punished; The Ark was built according to how God *told* them to build it.

Yet, it's interesting to note that, when someone (I forgot the man's name; I'd have to look it up again) with the Isrealites traveling with the Ark, he reached out to shoo an insect that had landed on it. I'm not certain of the specifics, but it has also been said that this man stumbled & instinctively reached out to steady himself on the Ark. Whatever the exact circumstance, the Ark killed him for approaching it with irreverance...

...And yet, after losing a battle with the Philistines, the Ark was carried off...Sounds a bit contradictory, considering that the Ark itself killed because of some display of irreverance. However, the Philistines suffered a plague of mice & hemmroids (SP?) for taking the Ark (Very few references exist about the hemmroids, from what I've found ), so the Philistines returned the Ark with other offerings (5 golden mice & 5 golden hemmroids; I'll bet that the craftsman was never prepared for *that*! ) to appease God's anger.

At any rate, the Isrealites were still under subject to the Philistines & nothing else changed, except the Philistines' new respect for the foreigners' God.

Hey thanks MidnightDstroyer, because of you I finally learned that Mark Twain wasn't only kidding around when he stated in his greatest and consequently last book, Letters From the Earth!!!!

"And man, thinks they are god's favorite creatures, but are second only to the house fly"

Oh god if none of you have read that book, YOU MUST READ THAT BOOK.

MidnightDstroyer said "some dude went to swat a fly off the ark and fell on it and died" (paraphrasing)

Why didn't god kill the poop infested fly that was spreading crap and disease across his most sacred vessel?

What would god do if the WHOLE ark were covered in a swarm of flys and maggots...what with all the dead people around the ark to feed the maggots and what not. Most of the dead probably would have arrisen from trying to shew off the first few initial flies...

Damn you all MUST READ THAT BOOK

Letters from the Earth by Mark Twain...there's nothing more hillarious then HIS version of the story of the ark...that's where he REALLY shows humanity that the fly is more important, especially when he brings out the fact that...how else was god going to save all the plagues and pestilence that still in habits the earth?

Sincerely,
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I'm more along the line with Douglas Adam's thinking...

Mankind thinks it's more intelligent than dolphins because we've invented to wheel, learned to control & create fire & also come up with d@mn good reasons for wars...

...But the Dolphins always considered themselves to be more intelligent for precisely the same reasons...


(Paraphrased from "So Long and Thanks For All The Fish")

Tower of Babel, Pyramids....yeah yeah yeah....Egyptians have builded them ( Pyramids ), but we are not able to do it.

We have evrything (technology, science....), but we don't know how to build a new one. I mean building one like they did it, with the same precision,the sames stones....

Oups...I tellya, this pyramids &
Tower of babel story is not clear. There is a missing link somewhere.

Historians and egyptologs are laughing from us. They are deluding us.

They are all debunkers, all of them !

1) They don't know what's happened,a dont want to tell that they don't know.

2) They KNOWS, but they don't dare to tell the true.


[Edited on 30-10-2002 by ultra_phoenix]

I once read the Annunaki story and found it simply fascinating, but I also read somewhere that the Tower of Babel was built, because the people could actually SEE the place where God was, like a city in the sky idea. Don't think it;s true but it was a fascinating idea. Also, Didn't the uhh whatchumacallthem, the Hindus. Don't they talk about the amazing flying cities and ships that there Gods had in the Bagatavela(sp?). Now that is some interesting stuff.

I Watched a documentary on monday night (28/10) all about the pyramids and they said that the outer castings or stones had been plundered. All through the documentary there was no mention at all about errosion from water.

MidnightDstroyer, hello there, I would just like to point out that the Ark of the covenant was actually built after Moses recieved the Ten Commandments.

Toltec, how are you doing, I was wondering why it is that you feel a certain fellow member deserves to go to Hell.
you obviously know very little about hell or you would not say such things.

But no hard feelings from me.

PorchMonkey, Bandit795,
Hello to you both.

I did not actually say that god was the one who brought down the MIR station. It was Mr Putin who did that.

All that I was saying was that I dont think that space travel has been very successful, considering all the lives that have been lost and failed missions. We have satelites for communications and weather prediction, these are good and very beneficial to mankind. But as a christian believer I feel that it was not meant for us to play around with what god did not reveal to mankind in the first place, and yes I do feel that god is not pleased with it.
Ask yourselves how much money does it take to send up a rocket. Also ask yourselvs would that money be better used to feed the 800 million hungry people in the world.

Bye for now

Originally posted by ultra_phoenixEgyptians have builded them ( Pyramids ), but we are not able to do it.

Actually, we *are* capable of recreating the pyramids...It's just that it would be too expensive to do so without having a d@mn good reason for doing it.

Originally posted by stewards...the Ark of the covenant was actually built after Moses recieved the Ten Commandments.

Then what was it that they put the original (smashed by Moses) set of Ten Commandments into, after his first trip back down Sinai?

MidnightDstroyer.

I do not understand your question.

They did not put the original ten commandments into anything, like you said Moses smashed them.

But Moses did recieve the law before the Ark was built.

According to the stories I've read, the *pieces* of the original Ten Commandments were put into the Ark after the followers of Moses killed the idol worshippers. There is also some documentation (Sorry, no link; You'll have to find the book yourself, just like I did) saying that 1 portion of manna & even the Rod of Arron may have been placed inside of the Ark before it wound up in the Temple of Soloman.

True Midnight, the Original Commandments were broken and then placed in the Ark of the Covenant. Later on the Mana and Aaron's Rod was placed in there. Hence why Moses went up again fasting another 40 days(I don't know if THAT is literal) and received the 10 Commandments a simpler form of the Original since the Israelites couldn't follow the more "stricter" commandments that were smashed(and it was obvious idol worshipping, rationalizing their desires as okay, funny today's world is a lot like that).

If I do remember correctly Moses even made another set by hand(but for what purpose I don't know), of these "Lesser" 10 commandments.
Later came that Law of Moses which expounded on many of these Commandments. Moses and the God of the Old Testament to me is just a fascinating story.

Opening the floodgates to dull drivel about Exodus and Deuteronomy here ( How could Moses have written these books if his own death is recorded...yawn...zzzzz...zzzzz ?) blahblahblah; but it is a very interesting topic (not that you'll gather that from what will -if we follow ATS-fashion - follow).
I think you'll find that the first set were delivered orally and recited. they were then inscribed and subsequently the stone tablets were shattered and put in the Ark (Noah had let the animals out).
To gaze upon them was death -as the Lord showed at Beshemish - even though they'd been seen unshattered already.
And so on...
The interest I would suggest is the extent to which people can live according to prescriptive maxims that cannot permit flexibility?
Can morality be explicitly rule-governed?

I'm glad that you cleared that point up. But am I to understand that your reasoning that God doesn't want us in space is because of all the failed missions and the lives that have been lost? If that is your argument, then let me ask you this. Does God want us flying in airplanes? How about driving cars? Or better yet, lets take it back to traveling on boats. All of these modes of transportation to unexplored areas had many people die. Where we to take that as a sign that God didn't want us to spread accross the Earth?

As far as God not revealing space to us, that is just pure BS. All you have to do is look up to the sky. It's there, everyone can see it. Are we supposed to be waiting for an image of God to to appear in the sky and tell us stupid humans to explore one of the great wonders he\she\it created? Didn't God create the Earth and the heavens for humans?

Anyway, those are my views and I'm looking forward too any responses.

[Edited on 31-10-2002 by Porchmonkey]

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer

Originally posted by ultra_phoenixEgyptians have builded them ( Pyramids ), but we are not able to do it.

Actually, we *are* capable of recreating the pyramids...It's just that it would be too expensive to do so without having a d@mn good reason for doing it.

Yes, but not with the same precision.

No MD, something is not clear. There is a missing link.

The interest I would suggest is the extent to which people can live according to prescriptive maxims that cannot permit flexibility?
Can morality be explicitly rule-governed?

Good question and the bible shows that No ... you cannot prescribe morality.

Its like motivation, external motivation is a poor actuator ... you learn the piano because you mother makes you... may mean you stop as soon as the pressure is removed.

But if morality is an INTERNAL structure, like internal motivation ... you play the piano because you want to be a great player, or you like playing ... THAT works. and that is what Jesus did... he moved the force from outside ... the Law .. to inside the Holy Spirit...